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The good, the bad, the secret: The nuclear deal with Iran
AEIdeas ^ | November 24, 2013, 8:22 am | Danielle Pletka

Posted on 11/25/2013 10:45:17 AM PST by SoConPubbie

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 When word came that Secretary of State John Kerry was winging his way back to Geneva, there was little doubt a deal had been reached with Iran for some nuclear concessions in exchange for a modicum of sanctions relief.  Reaction was predictable from most quarters, with those concerned about Iran’s bona fides slamming the de minimis requirements of the agreement — particularly a failure to secure Iran’s agreement to cease all enrichment, a key demand of all relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions.  Naturally, both Iran’s and Obama’s friends in Washington were equally quick to praise the “historic agreement”.
The good in the dribs and drabs reported about this agreement are straightforward:
The bad is in what is left out:
Chatting last week with a prominent nuclear expert in Washington (a Democrat), we talked about the problems with the then prospective deal.  Ironically, we were in complete agreement:

In reality, Iran has given nothing of substance other than a “pause” in its program.  The administration has left the hard work to the IAEA, including Parchin and verification.  Any hint of suspicion that Iran will continue work at an as yet undisclosed secret site was missing.  In return, while the concessions to Iran on sanctions are in and of themselves not dramatic, the reversal in momentum for sanctions and the loss of the psychology of impenetrable sanctions is of immeasurable value to Tehran.  Dealmakers will be back, letters of credit will once again be available, and it will be the beginning of the end of international cooperation on sanctions.  Worse yet, the administration will be loath to call Iran for failing to measure up to the letter of the agreement for fear of collapse, with all the concomitant loss of reputation to the President.  The administration, having once been an advocate for an end to Iran’s nuclear program, will become an advocate for Iran.  Don’t believe it?  Look at last week’s outrageous comments by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei about Israel.  Where was Kerry?  Look at the administration’s opposition to new sanctions on the Hill.

In short, it is wrong to say Iran has given nothing; Iran has given something, but nothing that halts its progress towards a nuclear weapons capability.  It has simply pushed back a break-out date which was immaterial to Iran, which has little intention of immediate break-out in any case. In return, it has earned something far more valuable than the concessions it granted: an advocate for the current regime in the White House.

One last thing: AP is reporting secret talks have been going on between the White House and Iran for months now.  We’ve heard this repeatedly.  What are they talking about?  In addition to the nuclear issue, I hear they’re talking about selling out Assad in favor of a new Syrian government that looks exactly like the current government, minus Assad.  Hezbollah?  Nothing.  Terrorism?  Nothing.  Watch out.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: impeach; iran; islamocommumism; jarrett; nationalsecurity; unvettedobama
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1 posted on 11/25/2013 10:45:17 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Didn’t Valerie Jarrett, the Teleprompter-Loader, “Barry’s Brain”, Iranian-born advisor to POTUS, having both parents allegedly connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, engineer this deal in the background thus allowing John F’n Kerry to later become the fall-guy?


2 posted on 11/25/2013 11:05:11 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SERKIT

The big question in my mind is “Why was Obama so desperate to declare even a bad deal with Iran right now?” Especially, if he has been negotiating with Iran in secret for the past several months, what’s the sudden rush? Was it really so shallow as to distract attention from the failure of Obamacare, or is there more to it than that?


3 posted on 11/25/2013 11:32:03 AM PST by Avid Coug
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To: SoConPubbie
Another article written by a NeoCon, except this gal is also a Moonie.

Tell me Mr NeoCon, how many American boots do you and Bibi plan to put on the ground in Iran?

4 posted on 11/25/2013 11:33:47 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Tell me Mr NeoCon, how many American boots do you and Bibi plan to put on the ground in Iran?

And what will you do when an extremist nation like Iran gets the Nuclear Bomb and then either nukes Israel or attempts to blackmail both Israel and the US in their efforts to remove Israel from the map?

Because at that point, it will be too late to do anything, our hand will be forced, and we will either capitulate or be forced to put boots on the ground.

We just gave up the diplomatic process, we gave the Iranians cover to continue their processing.
5 posted on 11/25/2013 11:37:48 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Ben Ficklin

The recent several generations are more and more hostile to Jews. Those of us who remember the Movietune Newsreels and the exposure of the Holocaust are more likely to understand the Israeli concerns.


6 posted on 11/25/2013 11:45:18 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: SoConPubbie; JimSEA
What is the plan that you back. You had 8 years and did nothing.

Throwing rocks at Obama and spouting off slogans is not a policy

7 posted on 11/25/2013 11:51:12 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; JimSEA
What is the plan that you back. You had 8 years and did nothing. Throwing rocks at Obama and spouting off slogans is not a policy

Judging by your original post, you're the one without a plan.

Am I incorrect, or you'd rather not do anything?

Furthermore, don't confuse me with GWB, John McCain or any of those other pretend conservatives.

If it were me, I'd already would have green-lighted and supported Israel in a limited strike designed to take out all of their nuclear capabilities.

Lacking that, if I were in charge, we'd take out their nuclear capabilities.

No-one, except the Muzzies, wants a country with a leader who thinks he is the 12th imman to have Nuclear capabilities, and even some of the Muzzie countries don't want them to have it either.

So, let's turn your question on it's head, what would you do to stop Iran from getting the bomb, or are you content to just let it play out because you fall into the isolationist camp?
8 posted on 11/25/2013 11:57:55 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Green-lighted?

Israel is a sovereign nation, they don't need a green light.

If the original question is to hard for you answer, I'll ask another.

How many and what nations say that Iran doesn't have a right to enrich? How many nations say that Iran does have a right to enrich?

9 posted on 11/25/2013 12:08:37 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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How many and what nations say that Iran doesn't have a right to enrich? How many nations say that Iran does have a right to enrich?

Why would I care?

This isn't about getting a consensus, or what other nations think, this is about a rogue nation, run by a religious zealot that subscribes to the notion that Israel must be destroyed.

This is about a religion, whose history proves, that it is nothing but a façade covering for an attempt at geo-political dominance by any kind of force necessary.

What part of this don't you understand?
10 posted on 11/25/2013 12:15:19 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I’d say that the fact that we didn’t put “boots on the ground” in Israel’s prior existential wars speaks for itself. However Iran is a difficult for Israel and both refueling and diplomatic help with the Saudi government is a possibility. I would continue arms assistance and the use of our satellites as well as a promise that any nuclear attack would bring us in with all our military assets.

By the way, I didn’t have any eight years as king of the world. All I can do is vote my convictions. That includes opposing libertarian foreign policy.


11 posted on 11/25/2013 12:27:53 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA; SoConPubbie; nuconvert; ntnychik; potlatch; Interesting Times
The Left including Obama's Ayers & Co make much of CIA installing the Shah in 1953.

The first endangerment was the Carter-Brzezinski betrayal of the Shah leading to the ascendancy of Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979

Obama signalled his allegiance when he let the Iranian people be gunned down in the streets of Tehran in 2009

George W Bush placed Iran in an Axis of Evil in 2001

In 2004 the Council on Foreign Relations published Iran: Time for a New Approach co-authored by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Robert Gates former DCI, SecDef, two supposedly disparate ideological viewpoints

The 2007 NIE poohpoohed the Iran weapons threat

Obama is elected and Jesse Jackson tells the "Zionists" they're out of the driver's seat (and Michelle "grew up in Jesse Jackson's house")

Henry Kissinger spoke of the desirability of Iran as a future ally this past March

Now comes the 57-state Muslim president a tool of Saudi and major-major donor to MB (add to Valerie, Huma & Family)

Israel is in a greater strategic tension due to Arab Spring; now Iran

"Inept" is not the correct discriptive

Treacherous--and, yes, it is impeachable

Though McConnell could not muster a microgram of testosterone if the EMP were exploded over Louisville

We live in interesting times


12 posted on 11/25/2013 12:46:21 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: SoConPubbie

Evidently that second question was to hard for you to answer.


13 posted on 11/25/2013 1:00:24 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Evidently that second question was to hard for you to answer.

Don't let your political ideology blind you to what is important.
14 posted on 11/25/2013 1:06:04 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
"What is important"

Enrichment is one of the most important issues. Did you notice that it had to be vague so that both sides could save face. And they picked a number between 3.5 and 20, but closer to 3.5

15 posted on 11/25/2013 1:27:59 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: SoConPubbie


16 posted on 11/25/2013 2:23:46 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Squirrel!


17 posted on 11/25/2013 2:24:50 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: SoConPubbie

How is working on a diplomatic solution giving up on the diplomatic process?


18 posted on 11/25/2013 2:26:36 PM PST by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz
How is working on a diplomatic solution giving up on the diplomatic process?

When the solution only gives the other side legitimacy at the expense of any strength of our position and the ability to hold their feet to the fire.

The goal, given the results of this agreement, was not to stop the Iranians from further enrichment, but to legitimize it.

We failed on all fronts, but I think this was the plan all along with this Alinsky group.
19 posted on 11/25/2013 2:46:50 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Enrichment is one of the most important issues. Did you notice that it had to be vague so that both sides could save face. And they picked a number between 3.5 and 20, but closer to 3.5

That's the important part.

They've, the US and their feckless partners, have given a belligerent, power-hungry, even suicidal regime, cover and legitimacy to continue building the necessary components for a bomb.
20 posted on 11/25/2013 2:49:04 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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