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15-Year-Old Arrested In Northeast Philadelphia ‘Knockout’ Attack
CBS ^ | Nov22,2013 | CBS

Posted on 11/22/2013 11:31:40 AM PST by NoLibZone

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To: MrB

Re: “the 5 stages of violent crime” (I thought I should elaborate on your excellent point)

From: http://www.self-defense-mind-body-spirit.com/womens-self-defense-class.html

Stage 1 - The Intent

In its simplest form, the Intent is where the criminal is mentally and physically prepared to commit violence. By being able to recognize potential psychological and verbal “tells,” your awareness should kick you into a state of orange, or warning mode.

Stage 2 - The Interview

The interview is a criminal process you want to fail. This is the criminal’s attempt through verbal interaction to get a sense of you as a potential target. For example, are you too trusting, do you allow him in close, do you exhibit fear in your body language? A sample interview would be asking for directions or the time. How do you react? Your body language and your reaction allows the criminal to decide whether or not you are a suitable target that provides the least amount of resistance. By understanding the various interviews used, your awareness training should again kick you into a state of orange.

Stage 3 - The Positioning

Positioning is simply a fancy word for opportunity. Just like when we discuss the crime triangle, without opportunity, there can be no crime. Opportunity is about the criminal placing himself in a place where he can successfully attack you quickly and effectively. Are you aware of your surroundings? Are you isolated? Do you have an escape route? Can you reach help quickly? Can you draw attention if things go south? Again, all of these are important questions in your awareness plan.

The next two stages are about the act of violence, where your physical self-defense skills may have to be utilized. They also only happen when the above 3 stages work. Meaning, if a criminal can’t set you up, he most likely won’t attack you.

Stage 4 - The Attack

The criminal has now decided that you are a safe target and is commencing the attack to get what he wants. Your goal in any attack is survival and escape employing whatever verbal or physical self-defense tools you have available to you.

Stage 5 - The Reaction

The reaction is the most dangerous of the five stages. It’s how the criminal feels about himself for what he has just done; and how he views your reaction to what he has done. The volatility at this stage can turn a simple assault to a rape to a murder.


21 posted on 11/22/2013 11:58:14 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: NoLibZone

Very simple. Derbyshire Rules.


22 posted on 11/22/2013 11:59:35 AM PST by PGR88
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To: truth_seeker
look at the videos of folks being knocked out and then subsequently hitting the pavement face first. It's a miracle they didn't develop a brain bleed and die. I would be shocked if most of them didn't sustain facial bone fractures, severe dental trauma, and/or tongue lacerations at the very least.

Furthermore, I remember a gentleman in my senior class that killed a young man with one punch to the head. He knocked him out and the guy died when his head hit the street curb.

Given the nature of these attacks, it is definitely felony assault at a minimum. This isn't two equal sized men squaring off in a fair fight in the park, this is a sneak attack against random weaker individuals.

Finally, the next time someone questions a man or woman's logic or sanity for walking around with a concealed pistol, these examples should shut them down immediately. They should be thankful that we walk among them but they're too damned stupid to realize it.

23 posted on 11/22/2013 11:59:54 AM PST by RC one
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To: Las Vegas Ron
We need “thug shots” not “mug shots”
Let me help: http://www.thugreport.com/
24 posted on 11/22/2013 12:00:51 PM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: NoLibZone

Want a real eye opener?

Read “White Girl Bleed A Lot”. I downloaded it to Kindle last night. Just wow.


25 posted on 11/22/2013 12:02:21 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: NoLibZone
I'm reminded of a couple of other "children", "Teens", "youth". They are effing monsters that need to be destroyed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/06/25/murder-suspects-describe-two-killings-in-2-robbery/

26 posted on 11/22/2013 12:03:15 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: RC one

“Furthermore, I remember a gentleman in my senior class that killed a young man with one punch to the head. He knocked him out and the guy died when his head hit the street curb.”

I remember a drunk white soldier who punched a smaller black soldier.

The black punched back one time, killing the white soldier.

The dumb white picked the wrong black, who was a champion amateur boxer.

Ruled justifiable self defense.


27 posted on 11/22/2013 12:05:41 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: dainbramaged

Thanks, but I mean the ones who’ve been shot in the course of their thug behavior.


28 posted on 11/22/2013 12:13:51 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: grania

Don’t think jobs have anything to do with this problem. These kids were raised by wolves or aunties or grannys and all their life nothing was ever their fault. Say they get a job digging ditches next thing you know they’ll be clocking folks with shovels.

These are not society’s fault they are the result of lousy or no parenting. No amount of feel good programs are going to change these animals. We are past saving these kids only God can do that and I aint God and neither is the Government.


29 posted on 11/22/2013 12:39:13 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: NoLibZone

soooo,
what will be societies reaction when some CCW shoots one or two of these thugs and kills them when THEY knock out some old lady or man?


30 posted on 11/22/2013 12:53:38 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: MrB

I was in DC on Tuesday, around 5:30 on sixth street. Same place the congresswoman got mugged one hour later. Two or three times I was approached by Obama sons, and I swear they were measuring me up. Stay alert and aware, keep distance. I made sure I knew exactly where they were incase I need to fight.

I was in Manhattan six years ago and had an Obama son take a swing at my face for being white, and I will never forget it.


31 posted on 11/22/2013 12:55:42 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Joe Boucher

If you see a group of black kids, vacate the area.

I think it’s now that simple.

I go to Philly or NYC, but take lots of care to keep distance and vacate. Never go when it’s dark.


32 posted on 11/22/2013 1:04:16 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Pollster1; All

Don’t turn your head and look away. Size THEM up. Let them know that anything they try won’t end cleanly.


33 posted on 11/22/2013 1:07:41 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: NoLibZone
Sucker punching someone in the head with the intention of causing them to fall unconscious to the pavement is attempted murder. Period. And anyone instigating such an action should be dealt with using lethal force.
34 posted on 11/22/2013 1:12:47 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: NoLibZone
You think the cities are feral now?

Just wait until the economy collapses, the EBT/SNAP credit cards bounce, and the gravy train pulls runs off the tracks for good...

35 posted on 11/22/2013 1:19:11 PM PST by Gritty (You can't fix crazy any more than you can fix stupid. Obamacare was never going to work.-Steve Deace)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I'll agree with you that "nothing was ever their fault". It's because for what's into a second generation of thugs now, manufacturing and other jobs in the inner city have dried up. Their parents have been given handouts to make life comfortable enough without work, so the demands for jobs haven't been adequate. Now you've got teens who've grown up and are surrounded by a culture of excuses and bad behavior. Obama's initiatives have made the inner city worse.

I believe most people have the capacity to lead good productive lives. They have to be given the opportunity and necessity to do so.

These thugs preying on older people because they consider them vulnerable? I'd lock them up for a real long time with no protection from the other prisoners.

36 posted on 11/22/2013 1:41:41 PM PST by grania
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To: PA-RIVER
I was in DC on Tuesday, around 5:30 on sixth street. Same place the congresswoman got mugged one hour later. Two or three times I was approached by Obama sons, and I swear they were measuring me up.

Next time that happens to me, I'm finding my little spider hole and observing. When they find their next intended victim, I'm taking the shot. Defense of Others works just as well as Self-Defense. The numbers in the randomly-violent-against-unwitting-defenseless-victims set need to be thinned... and if they won't do it themselves, it will need to be done for them.

37 posted on 11/22/2013 2:13:09 PM PST by Teacher317 (Obama is failing faster than I can lower my expectations.)
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To: Joe Boucher

I would say, dump the carcass on his mother’s front steps and quietly walk away.


38 posted on 11/22/2013 2:19:35 PM PST by healy61
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To: Joe Boucher

The moral is don’t live in the Philly black plague hell hole

if you live there you are likely to die of the bkack palgue


39 posted on 11/22/2013 2:21:11 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: dainbramaged

You beat me to it.


40 posted on 11/22/2013 2:31:06 PM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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