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Endless Afghanistan? US-Afghan agreement would keep troops in place and funds flowing,indefinitely.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/19/21534305-endless-afghanistan-us-afghan-agreement-would-keep-troops-in-place-and-funds-flowing-perhaps-indefinitely?lite ^

Posted on 11/19/2013 9:34:53 AM PST by sunmars

KABUL – While many Americans have been led to believe the war in Afghanistan will soon be over, a draft of a key US-Afghan security deal obtained by NBC NEWS shows the United States is prepared to maintain military outposts in Afghanistan for many years to come, and pay to support hundreds of thousands of Afghan security forces.

The wide-ranging document, still unsigned by the United States and Afghanistan, has the potential to commit thousands of American troops to Afghanistan and spend billions of US taxpayer dollars.

The document outlines what appears to be the start of a new, open-ended military commitment in Afghanistan in the name of training and continuing to fight al-Qaeda. The war in Afghanistan doesn’t seem to be ending, but renewed under new, scaled-down US-Afghan terms. Advertise | AdChoices

“The Parties acknowledge that continued US military operations to defeat al-Qaeda and its affiliates may be appropriate and agree to continue their close cooperation and coordination toward that end,” the draft states.

The 25-page “Security and Defense Cooperation Agreement Between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan” is a sweeping document, vague in places, highly specific in others, defining everything from the types of future missions US troops would be allowed to conduct in Afghanistan, to the use of radios and the taxation of American soldiers and contractors.

The bilateral security agreement will be debated this week in Kabul by around 2,500 village elders, academics and officials in a traditional Loya Jirga. While the Loya Jirga is strictly consultative, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said he won’t sign it without the Jirga’s approval.

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I do despair, are they ever going to get our soldiers out of there. I guess not. Its just a never ending pit of our kids being slaughtered.
1 posted on 11/19/2013 9:34:53 AM PST by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Heroin trade support?


2 posted on 11/19/2013 9:36:58 AM PST by free from tyranny
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To: sunmars

To think we basically had that place pacified and Obama has helped our enemies rebuild.


3 posted on 11/19/2013 9:38:36 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sunmars

I thought Mr. Nobel Prize Winning First Black President was going to get us out in 2014? Another broken “promise”.


4 posted on 11/19/2013 9:38:43 AM PST by Antihero101607
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To: sunmars

.... The only genuine advantage I could see to keeping a few bases open would be to maintain a strategic military footprint in the area.


5 posted on 11/19/2013 9:38:54 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: free from tyranny
Strategic location.

There is no doubt that the Middle East has vast strategic importance to the US and the world.

6 posted on 11/19/2013 9:41:06 AM PST by pfflier
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To: sunmars

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


7 posted on 11/19/2013 9:41:35 AM PST by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: Antihero101607

IIRC, we we’re going to be out of Kosovo by Christmas 1995.


8 posted on 11/19/2013 9:45:27 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: sunmars

Well, I can tell you one thing, it’s not about winning a war.

11/13

“SEAL’s Parents: Obama’s Rules Of Engagement Killing Our Troops”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3090875/posts


9 posted on 11/19/2013 9:48:45 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: sunmars

What we need is a standing civilian army just as well funded and just a powerful as the military.....THAT ANSWERS DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE! Then when the regulary army can’t fill it’s ranks our country will still be protected.


10 posted on 11/19/2013 9:50:13 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: sunmars
Rent free bases, but US funding for Afghan security forces:
While the document specifically says the United States would not seek “permanent bases” in Afghanistan, the US military would have “access to and use of the agreed facilities and areas.” Some of these areas would be for the “exclusive use” of US troops.

“Afghanistan hereby authorizes United States forces to exercise all rights and authorities within the agreed facilities and areas that are necessary for their use, operation, defense, or control, including the right to undertake new construction works,” the document says.

US troops would be allowed to carry weapons, wear uniforms and guard the perimeter of those areas. The agreement does not say how many “exclusive use” sites there would be in Afghanistan. The United States also would also be permitted to keep vehicles and aircraft in Afghanistan, take off and land from Afghan soil, and fly though Afghan airspace.  The facilities would be provided the US government “rent free,” but significant costs would mount in other ways. 

US PAYMENTS
The draft agreement says the Afghan government should “eventually” pay for all of its defense and security personal. But until then, “so long as the strategic partnership agreement so provides, the United States shall have an obligation to seek funds on a yearly basis to support the training, equipping, advising and sustaining of the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF), so that Afghanistan can independently secure and defend itself against internal and external threats, and help ensure that terrorists never again encroach on Afghan soil and threaten Afghanistan, the region, and the world.” The specific amount of payment is not stated. The money would be “managed by relevant Afghan institutions.”

My guess is a few billion dollars a year in funding for Afghan equipment and staffing. Our presence there will be a boon for the local economy, of course.
11 posted on 11/19/2013 9:52:47 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sunmars

The soviets were smart enough to get the heck out of that place..and the US was the one’s that armed the Afghans...who was the most stupid?


12 posted on 11/19/2013 10:07:30 AM PST by goat granny
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To: sunmars

There has never been a commitment to eradicate Islamic Terrorism. Obushma must be getting some good poppy from Afghanistan

Pull the US troops...then nuke the place


13 posted on 11/19/2013 10:29:07 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (2014: Real Conservatives Only, Please)
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To: sunmars

Unlike Iraq, where this might have actually done some good...


14 posted on 11/19/2013 10:34:25 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: sunmars

So the Republic will suffer a death of a thousand cuts...thank you 1st ape.


15 posted on 11/19/2013 10:48:33 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: free from tyranny
Heroin trade support?

Sounds like it to me.

16 posted on 11/19/2013 10:49:45 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I have a few relatives, they get deployed to Afghanistan 2 out of 3 years. I remember them telling me that we will always have a presence there. They told me that there would be highly trained Special Forces but most of the Regular Army Units will be pulled out and that would be a good plan for the future. They said the US was building roads & infrastructure to control the larger towns & cities for the long haul; so the Taliban can never dominate again. Might be part of the price we have pay to prevent another 911. I just wonder where will the money to fund everything comes from?


17 posted on 11/19/2013 10:53:10 AM PST by Eska
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To: Eska
They said the US was building roads & infrastructure to control the larger towns & cities for the long haul;

Bush lied. He said he would not engage in nation building. I count two. Democrats like Bush and LBJ love never ending wars.

18 posted on 11/19/2013 11:05:12 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: sunmars

Out. Then, a complete audit. The only reason the Democrats would have to care about Afghanistan is if they’re making money off of the war.


19 posted on 11/19/2013 11:16:35 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sunmars
Better to turn it back over to the Taliban? Aka al Queda in Afghanistan?

The fact the military leadership of the past two Presidents has been incompetent (Bush) or defeatist (Obama) doesn't change the facts on the ground.

You go to war with the idiot CINC's you've got.

20 posted on 11/19/2013 11:31:55 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: sunmars

Looks like Bozo’s gonna do some apologizing in some letter that Carney won’t admit to..gee, which part of the time in Afghanistan might The One apologize for??? I despise this POS fraud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/19/obama-reportedly-to-pen-letter-to-afghan-people-admitting-mistakes-as-part/


21 posted on 11/19/2013 11:36:37 AM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: sunmars
Without a US base in Afghanistan, civil war will break out and eventually the enemies of America will again have a nation hide-away.

For a time I led a UN project office in Afghanistan. The oldest and wisest white-haired Afghan once told me "We'll always need an international to lead us, other wise we will fight among ourselves." Sure enough, several years after I left an Afghan stayed a coup, driving out the internationals, leading to corruption and the eventual dismantling of the organization.

Keep in mind that the present predicament of the US goes back to the British, who deliberately created national borders that split the Pashtuns between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and hobbled together opposing ethnicities to cause strife and weakness. The US could have begun fixing this problem by splitting Afghanistan in multiple nations, however, it's also easier for the US to exercise influence over a piecemeal weak nation, than several stronger nations of unified ethnicity.

22 posted on 11/19/2013 11:40:31 AM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: Eska
I just wonder where will the money to fund everything comes from?

The dollars involved aren't huge. We're spending about $80b on Afghanistan sustaining close to 65K troops there, combined with aid packages. Taking it down to 8K troops, combined with Afghan aid, might take it down to $20b a year. Which is a rounding error (0.1%) as a % of national output. Obamacare alone will probably cost $300b a year due to the massive Medicaid expansion and the subsidies for low income households. Our problem with military spending has always been related to concurrent increases in welfare state spending. The Europeans have avoided this problem because by slashing defense to the bone. But even they are running out of defense budget to cut.

23 posted on 11/19/2013 11:44:19 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
Keep in mind that the present predicament of the US goes back to the British, who deliberately created national borders that split the Pashtuns between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and hobbled together opposing ethnicities to cause strife and weakness. The US could have begun fixing this problem by splitting Afghanistan in multiple nations, however, it's also easier for the US to exercise influence over a piecemeal weak nation, than several stronger nations of unified ethnicity.

Afghanistan pre-existed the Brits. The reason Pashtuns are split between Afghanistan and Pakistan is because the Brits never mustered the force to both overrun and administer the place. They overran local forces several times, but it was an expensive proposition to garrison the place and there was not enough government revenue from trade to justify placing a large permanent force there. Afghans will give you all kinds of conspiracy theories, but they are given to conspiracy theories. The reality is - way before the Brits showed up - the Pashtuns built an unwieldy empire of Tajiks, Pashtuns, Uzbeks and Hazaras but can't control it because they've repeatedly run into the same problem as the Brits - the country is composed of vast swathes of wasteland that can't provide enough revenues to keep the empire together.

24 posted on 11/19/2013 11:53:55 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: All

I’m shocked! No, not that Obama was lying about pulling out of Afghanistan. I’m shocked that NBC is doing some actual reporting.


25 posted on 11/19/2013 11:56:04 AM PST by pluvmantelo (Islam-No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.)
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To: sunmars

If you try to defend everywhere, you wind up defending nothing. If you try to solve all the world’s problems, you wind up solving no problems.


26 posted on 11/19/2013 12:01:07 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: AliVeritas; holdonnow; kristinn; onyx; penelopesire; Jet Jaguar

ping


27 posted on 11/19/2013 12:09:46 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray/Penance. Isa 5:18-21,10:1-3 "Tempus faciendi, Domine, dissipaverunt legem tuam")
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To: sunmars

Nuke and salt the poppy fields.

Get our US Troops out, dammit! Quit wasting US Blood & Treasure in that filthy shithole.

Israel is the only thing worth protecting in the ME; screw the Petro-Dollars. We’ll survive the SHTF crash.


28 posted on 11/19/2013 7:49:58 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Antihero101607

He’s advancing the islamist/muzzie caliphate.


29 posted on 11/19/2013 7:53:55 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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The Afghanistan inheritance serves only to bolster the CIC’s credibility.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 7:56:39 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

You can’t civilize tribes. Africa is proof.


31 posted on 11/19/2013 7:58:11 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: pierrem15
0scumbag's a TINC (Traitor-In-Chief); he needs to be gotten rid of replaced ASAP.
32 posted on 11/19/2013 8:02:55 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; MagUSNRET; lightman

Trash-can-istan Ping.


33 posted on 11/19/2013 8:05:25 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: driftdiver

I just came from a thread where I disagreed with the characterization of our action in Afghanistan as a “meat grinder” by another freeper.

Iwo Jima was a “meat grinder”. We lost as many men each day on iwo Jima as we have lost on average in an entire year, each year since we have been in Afghanistan. That in no way diminishes the sacrifice of youth, blood and money that we have put into Afghanistan since 2001, but I think it is important to keep things in the proper perspective. It is three times more dangerous to be a citizen of Chicago than it is to serve in the US Military in Afghanistan.

Our military have done an excellent job under the circumstances they have been asked to serve in, especially the way they have been increasingly stabbed in the back and asked to do ever more worthless missions since the Democrats took power in 2006.

Given how they are being increasingly ignored, underfunded, handcuffed and betrayed by the civilian (and some of their own) leadership, we should have brought them home in 2006.


34 posted on 11/19/2013 9:11:08 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: sunmars

“If you like your IED deaths and multiple deployments, you can keep them.”


35 posted on 11/20/2013 4:44:02 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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