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The Insiders: For Democrats, dark days ahead
The Washington Post ^ | November16,2013 | ED ROGERS

Posted on 11/16/2013 8:57:16 AM PST by Hojczyk

Is the president’s Obamacare “fix” part of the Obama administration’s pattern of deceit or a product of its frequent delusion?

A cursory discussion with almost anyone who knows anything about the insurance business would have alerted the president to the fact that his proposal is unworkable. The initial take from experts on both the right and the left is that the president did not fix anything yesterday. Insurance industry experts agree that the very idea that canceled health policies can be renewed or extended for one year is laughable —

especially with the cumbersome rules that would have to accompany any such temporary reinstatements or extensions. One must assume the White House consulted experts before President Obama announced his plan. So we can rule out delusion. Surely this was an informed decision … right?

Meanwhile, this is the administration that felt compelled to affirmatively announce twice on camera in the past week that they are “not stupid.” Well, if Team Obama is so certain they aren’t stupid, maybe they think we are all the stupid ones. Or, maybe the president thinks he can sell this to the American people — deceiving them at least until after the 2014 elections.

But the tide has not shifted: Democrats could soon conclude that blaming Republicans for depriving 48+ million Americans of health care is better than having 114+ million American households furious at your meddling with their health insurance and ridiculing your hallmark accomplishment. The big punt is still possible. There is a chance Obamacare could be repealed in a bipartisan vote.

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1 posted on 11/16/2013 8:57:16 AM PST by Hojczyk
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I think what most people don’t get is that this isn’t about the Insurance companies or the people who buy insurance. Obama couldn’t care less about them because, for the most part, they are not his Base. Rather it is about the multitude who will use Obamacare to sign up for Medicaid. That is the sweet spot for the Dems that no one is concerned with (yet). For every 1 person who is buying insurance off these exchanges, 10+ are signing up for Medicaid. And all of these people will be good Democratic voters for the rest of their lives. The fact that it will accelerate the bankruptcy of the country and the imposition of fascist martial law (to maintain the Entitlement state) is just icing on the cake.

Silly GOP.


2 posted on 11/16/2013 9:08:27 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Hojczyk
The big punt is still possible. There is a chance Obamacare could be repealed in a bipartisan vote.

Maybe I'm pessimistic but I don't think it matters. obama will not sign it and there are enough Rats in the Senate, that are not up for re-election, that the votes aren't there to override a veto.

All the nonsense about being able to keep your plan for 1 more year is political cover for Rats.

The insurance companies are going to be bailed out by the protection they get from losses built into the bill (fascism). Rubio wants to kill that part of the bill but reid will never allow it to be brought up for a vote.

The GOPe does not want to kill obamacare. They just want to be exempted and in charge.

For all the talk nothing is going to be done to kill this destruction of our freedom. The Rats will take a hit in the short term, but in a couple years (after the employer mandate crisis runs it's course) the fix will be for expanding Medicare to cover everyone!

I am praying I'm wrong, but I'm so convinced I'm not I'm already investing outside the USA.

3 posted on 11/16/2013 9:09:47 AM PST by wmfights
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To: rbg81

Will physicians start dropping/not accepting new medicaid patients?


4 posted on 11/16/2013 9:14:41 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Hojczyk

“There is a chance Obamacare could be repealed in a bipartisan vote.”

Dream on...it will not happen.


5 posted on 11/16/2013 9:16:22 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Hojczyk
The winter of Democrat's discontent will not be made glorious summer by this son of pork.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

6 posted on 11/16/2013 9:16:27 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Hojczyk

The fact remains that at least 50% of the voting population are deadbeats with their hands out. All the rats need to do is carve out another entitlement niche from the other half.


7 posted on 11/16/2013 9:20:02 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: DennisR

I’m not so sure about that..this thing is so bad..and its only going to get worse.


8 posted on 11/16/2013 9:22:56 AM PST by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: Hojczyk

Scroll back the clock to Oct. 1 - just six short weeks ago...and who would have bet even a dollar we’d be seeing headlines like this in — the Washington Post, of all places!

We live in interesting times indeed.


9 posted on 11/16/2013 9:24:35 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rbg81
I think what most people don’t get is that this isn’t about the Insurance companies or the people who buy insurance. Obama couldn’t care less about them because, for the most part, they are not his Base

That is true, but the people who buy /use insurance are a much larger, but politically diverse group. I'm sure some have never voted in their lives.

And yet, all their anger now should be directed at one party, the Democrats who played politics with their health care. That is the message that will need to be delivered, and effectively enough to drive that anger to the polls to take action.

10 posted on 11/16/2013 9:28:02 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (You know something's really wrong when the salesman keeps selling long after the close.)
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Again, the Democrats know they are in trouble, but they will eventually find their footing and begin to defend themselves

That all depends. Seems to me it's being taken for granted that there will be no more Benghazi revelations, IRS revelations, Iran terrors, or that any additional scandal will be uncovered in the Obama administration which seems unlikely.

And then what about the millions who probably won't be able to access the website for months to come...if ever? The turmoil in healthcare caused by Obama is not ending anytime soon.

11 posted on 11/16/2013 9:28:41 AM PST by what's up
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To: Dog

Notice we aren’t seeing any polls conducted and published lately. Gotta pray that TEA is working the ground game to the hilt on this.


12 posted on 11/16/2013 9:29:11 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Hojczyk

Dark days? Not a chance. Elections are fake now.


13 posted on 11/16/2013 9:29:23 AM PST by Wage Slave
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To: Hojczyk

Brutal!


14 posted on 11/16/2013 9:29:27 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: rbg81
Silly GOP.

You spend a whole paragraph showing the rancid policy of the socialists on Medicaid and how they plan to use this to maintain power and hike the deficit and then you end with "silly GOP"?

Huh?

15 posted on 11/16/2013 9:31:21 AM PST by what's up
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To: Hojczyk

This is another article that misses the main pitfall. The “5-7 million” new signups were going to come from from those whose policies were cancelled as “substandard.” Those were the people who would be interested in maintaining medical insurance . Without the “5 %” they publicly discount as having any importance, there is not even that fig leaf of ability to “pay for it” by new signups. The budget scoring on this is going to shoot through the roof. “ Obamacare cost rises to $ 1.5 trillion” is going to be the unavoidable headline and is likely to wake up even a lot of those who have been “So Whaters” and among the 40% who continue to approve of Obama up until now. I can’t see his being able to walk a “Medicare for all” argument past staggering numbers like that.


16 posted on 11/16/2013 9:31:25 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: txhurl

That trend has been in effect for several years already.


17 posted on 11/16/2013 9:34:20 AM PST by MrEdd (iHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Hojczyk

The pattern of deceit IS the product of frequent delusion..


18 posted on 11/16/2013 9:35:30 AM PST by snappahead (if your gonna be dumb, you better be tough.)
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To: DennisR
Dream on...it will not happen.

It seems to me it's at least a possibility.

There really is not much alternative for the Dems IF the website continues to fail.

If people are unable to sign up there's no revenue to fund Obamacare. Also, very few alternatives for private insurance because premiums are too buy to pay due to Obamacare.

Before too long, we might start hearing about some of those GOP ideas like tort reform and buying policies across state lines.

19 posted on 11/16/2013 9:36:15 AM PST by what's up
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To: Mygirlsmom

I’m sure some have never voted in their lives.


Interesting question.. how many really *have* never voted in their lives...


20 posted on 11/16/2013 9:37:22 AM PST by txhurl
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