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[Thursday night] White House threatens veto of Upton bill
The Hill ^ | November 14, 2013 | Justin Sink

Posted on 11/15/2013 2:25:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

“I will not accept proposals that are just another brazen attempt to undermine or repeal the overall law and drag us back into a broken system,” Obama said Thursday.

The White House issued a formal veto threat Thursday night of a bill offered by House Republicans that would allow insurance companies to continue offering health plans that existed before the beginning of the new year.

The legislation, sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), is coming up for a vote on Friday.

In a statement from the Office of Management and Budget, the administration argues the law is intended to “sabotage” ObamaCare.

“[The bill] rolls back the progress made by allowing insurers to continue to sell new plans that deploy practices such as not offering coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, charging women more than men, and continuing yearly caps on the amount of care that enrollees receive,” the statement said.

Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices from insurance companies saying that their current plan will no longer be available under ObamaCare. Originally, the law did not permit grandfathering of plans that had been purchased or substantially altered since the health bill was passed three years ago. Some insurance companies also opted to stop offering plans that did not satisfy the minimum coverage requirements mandated for new enrollees under the Affordable Care Act.

That led to a firestorm of criticism for the Obama Administration — and the president’s announcement Thursday afternoon of a new administrative regulation intended to address the issue.

Under the administrative fix, insurance companies are permitted to continue offering existing plans to current enrollees — regardless of when they signed up for coverage, or if that coverage was recently altered. But unlike the Upton bill, insurance companies can’t offer the bare-bones plans to new enrollees.

Democrats have worried that if insurers were allowed to offer the cheaper, lower-quality plans to new customers, the young, healthy individuals central to the success of the ObamaCare exchanges would choose the less expensive options, dooming the reform effort. Moreover, those individuals’ plans would lack the consumer protections central to driving down health costs under the law.

“I will not accept proposals that are just another brazen attempt to undermine or repeal the overall law and drag us back into a broken system,” Obama said Thursday.

Despite the administration’s veto threat, many Democrats could vote for the legislation, seeking political cover for the midterm elections. Democratic leaders have not yet said whether they’ll whip against the legislation.

But Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) told CNN on Thursday she was confident that Democrats would hold rank against the bill.

“Tomorrow when that legislation comes on the floor, I’m confident the Democrats are going to stand, as we have, in unity to continue to support fully implementing the Affordable Care Act,” she said.


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“I will not accept proposals that are just another brazen attempt to undermine or repeal the overall law and drag us back into a broken system,” Obama said Thursday.

You can't break what's already broken.

Obama "broke" it, he owns it.

Every member of the Democrat Party OWNS Obamacare-Hillarycare.

1 posted on 11/15/2013 2:25:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Never try to stop your enemy when they’re determined to self-destruct.

The Upton Bill should be pulled.


2 posted on 11/15/2013 2:30:54 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The ads against Obamacare democrats write themselves.


3 posted on 11/15/2013 2:31:29 AM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN; SatinDoll; All
The President Is Losing His Plan "The most important thing about the policy move announced by President Obama on Thursday is not its practical significance—which is frankly very hard to predict—but rather what it tells us about the mindset of the president and his top lieutenants. In that respect, I think the past few days have marked a significant change, and signaled a new and unprecedented level of panic and chaos.

The immediate purpose of the step the administration announced was, ironically, pretty much the same one that moved the president to falsely claim for three years that anyone who liked his insurance plan would be able to keep it: to calm down congressional Democrats and keep them unified. The president moved to permit insurers to renew plans that do not comply with Obamacare’s requirements because it looked like legislative proposals to do that were going to win the votes of large numbers of Democrats in both houses, and so effectively fracture the gritted-teeth Democratic unity that has been the only thing sustaining the cause of Obamacare in our politics since before the law was enacted.

If many dozens of House Democrats broke with the leadership and the president to vote for the Upton bill (which would allow insurers to keep selling any 2013 plans they wanted to all comers next year), they might well never come back to the Obamacare fold, and the inevitable fights to come would be all the more painful for the president. If the Senate Democrats championing the Landrieu bill (which would impose a guaranteed-renewability requirement on all 2013 plans, overriding Obamacare’s qualified-coverage mandates) got their way, they would expose deep divisions in the Democratic caucus that Harry Reid has worked for years to hide (mostly by avoiding difficult votes) and put the president in the position of seeming to be reprimanded by his own party. If both bills passed, the result of a conference committee between them could well be unbearable for the president in both political and policy terms. Obama evidently decided he should do whatever it took to avoid those immediate undesirable consequences, regardless of the longer-term cost. This was the same sort of thinking that led him to repeatedly promise people they could keep any plan they liked in order to keep the extremely precarious Obamacare coalition of Democrats together in 2010 and after. The idea is to get past the immediate political problem and worry about the bigger problems you create later. ..................."

4 posted on 11/15/2013 2:33:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SatinDoll; All

Obama’s speech in Ohio Thursday after his dictatorial press conference:

“.......“I’m going to see this through,” Obama said of the healthcare law.

“We are not going to gut this law; we will fix what needs to be fixed,” he added.

......The insurance industry largely ripped the proposal, saying it would undo much of the work they have done to prepare to implement the sweeping law.

Democratic lawmakers are still pursuing legislative changes, saying the administration’s fix doesn’t go far enough to help the millions of Americans receiving cancellation notices.

Obama at the Ohio event was noticeably less apologetic than during a White House press conference Thursday morning, in which he conceded the administration had “fumbled” the Obamacare rollout.

“We always knew this was going to be hard,” the president told the Cleveland crowd. “There’s a reason the folks who tried to do this for 100 years hadn’t done it.”

The president also took a swipe at the same insurance companies he is now asking to renew cancelled coverage plans.

Under Obamacare, the president said insurance companies would no longer “jack up your premium so you can’t afford it” just “because you had some sort of preexisting condition.”

The president travels to Philadelphia later Thursday for a Democratic fundraiser.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/in-defiant-ohio-speech-obama-promises-not-to-gut-health-law/article/2539182


5 posted on 11/15/2013 2:41:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

-— “We always knew this was going to be hard,” the president told the Cleveland crowd. “There’s a reason the folks who tried to do this for 100 years hadn’t done it.” -—

I wonder if Kraut has put this together yet?

“In five days, we are going to fundamentally transform America.”

Obama is an Ivy League commie.


6 posted on 11/15/2013 2:47:07 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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“There’s a reason the folks who tried to do this for 100 years hadn’t done it.”

Controlling healthcare: they've finally set the hooks of total control, the ones that they've worked to set in place for 100 years - and the key to killing capitalism.

7 posted on 11/15/2013 2:55:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RginTN
“The ads against Obamacare democrats write themselves.”

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So when are the Republicans going to start running them?

8 posted on 11/15/2013 3:27:46 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Repeal is the only fix.


9 posted on 11/15/2013 3:28:35 AM PST by DCmarcher-976453
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To: fatnotlazy
So when are the Republicans going to start running them?

Too early. The Low Information Voter has the memory of a goldfish.

Besides, why spend the money when the opposition bent on destroying itself?

10 posted on 11/15/2013 3:36:38 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why even pass it. Republicans have no fingerprints on this POS right now. Why vote for ANYTHING other than REPEAL???


11 posted on 11/15/2013 3:40:05 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete
Spot on!!

"............No matter how great the crimes progressives commit, no matter how terrible the futures they labor to create, no matter how devastating the human catastrophes they leave behind, the world outside the faith seems ready to forgive their “mistakes” and to grant them the grace of “good intentions.” -- David Horowitz

The GOP must let this wholly Democrat designed (and passed into law) disaster unfold into the horror it always was going to be - that the GOP [Cruz and Co] has been warning it would be; the Democrats own it, lock, stock and barrel. If the GOP tries to "fix" it, they will be granting that the Democrats had "good intentions."

12 posted on 11/15/2013 3:45:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Sooth2222

But by keeping quiet, the Republicans allow the Democrats control the narrative. A large segment of the population has a short attention span, short memories and are just plain stupid. They have to be led to the right conclusion like children. The Democrats have become experts at this. Repeat the lies early and often, and the people will believe those lies.

Republicans need to counter the effects of Democrat propaganda. We have important elections coming up starting next year. The time to start is now.


13 posted on 11/15/2013 3:47:22 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He doesn’t want to be driven back to a broken system.

Obamacare is like getting out of the lifeboat and going back on the Titanic.


14 posted on 11/15/2013 3:50:29 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Either he broke the law by not allowing retention of old plans, or broke the law by allowing them. Either way shows he is ruling by decree, not law. The bill at hand challenges his usurpation by making law he is intended to follow, a state he despises.


15 posted on 11/15/2013 3:52:31 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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Barack Obama: Press Conf Nov 14, 2013 "But even if we get the hardware and software working exactly the way it’s supposed to with relatively minor glitches, what we’re also discovering is that insurance is complicated to buy. And another mistake that we made, I think, was underestimating the difficulties of people purchasing insurance online and shopping for a lot of options with a lot of costs and lot of different benefits and plans and somehow expecting that that would be very smooth, and then they’ve also got to try to apply for tax credits on the website." [end quote]

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That's the beginning massage (oh it's too hard - let us help fix that) toward making this mess (Obamacare) transform into a Universal (GOVERNMENT) single payer system.

16 posted on 11/15/2013 3:56:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What’s the origin of this “tried for 100 years” line? Someone used it on me recently, and your quote makes me realize it’s a talking point emerging from the Leftist echo chamber.


17 posted on 11/15/2013 4:02:51 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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That's a quote from Obama (in Ohio yesterday). But the Left has dreamed of universal healthcare to cement their socialist state - Human Rights.

Universal health care "....The Soviet Union implemented universal health care in 1937 and extended equal access to its rural residents in 1969. New Zealand created a universal health care system in a series of steps from 1939 to 1941. On July 5, 1948, the United Kingdom implemented its universal National Health Service. Universal health care was next introduced in the Nordic countries of Sweden (1955), Iceland (1956), Norway (1956), Denmark (1961), and Finland (1964). Universal health insurance was then implemented in Japan (1961), Saskatchewan (1962) followed by the rest of Canada (1968–1972), and twice in Australia (1974 and 1984). Universal national health services were then introduced in the Southern European countries of Italy (1978), Portugal (1979), Greece (1983), and Spain (1986), followed by the Asian countries of South Korea (1989), Taiwan (1995), and Israel (1995). From the 1970s to 1990s, the Western European countries of Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, and Luxembourg expanded their social health insurance systems to provide universal or near-universal coverage, as did the Netherlands (1986 and 2006) and Switzerland (1996).

Most current universal health care systems were implemented in the period following the Second World War as a process of health care reform, intended to make health care available to all, in the spirit of Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948, signed by every country doing so. However, the USA did not ratify the social and economic rights sections, including Article 25's right to health........

...........Universal health care is a broad concept that has been implemented in several ways. The common denominator for all such programs is some form of government action aimed at extending access to health care as widely as possible and setting minimum standards. Most implement universal health care through legislation, regulation and taxation. Legislation and regulation direct what care must be provided, to whom, and on what basis. Usually some costs are borne by the patient at the time of consumption but the bulk of costs come from a combination of compulsory insurance and tax revenues. Some programs are paid for entirely out of tax revenues........."

18 posted on 11/15/2013 4:17:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

3 Minutes

MARK LEVIN NOW IS THE TIME TO VOTE TO DEFFUND OR REPEAL, SHOVE THIS DAMNED OBAMACARE DOWN THEIR TH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceZqBc7thpc


19 posted on 11/15/2013 4:23:09 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Upton bill should only come up for a vote if it will not pass and show the Dems as completely responsible for Obama’s Socialist Health Insurance Tax, aka OSHIT.


20 posted on 11/15/2013 4:30:21 AM PST by N. Theknow (Defund, Abolish, Repeal ObamaCare. You cannot fix stupid. You cannot repair incompetence.)
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