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Can Conservatives Take Over the GOP?
Americans for a Free Republic ^ | November 12, 2013 | Nelson Hultberg

Posted on 11/12/2013 10:40:17 AM PST by Nelson Hultberg

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To: demshateGod

I agree. If the Kochs, Adelsteins, et al are willing to back AFR, then we could see something pretty interesting. It will take tens of millions, a well-staffed and functional organization, and visionary leadership. I’ve advocated this since Nov. 8 2012.

It will take a collaboration of donors like those above, leadership (rock-solid conservatives like Allen West, Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, for example), and multi-disciplinary visionaries to guid the effort (which could include a mix of groups as diverse as The Heritage Foundation, Hillsdale College, Peter Schiff, and Newt Gingrich).

The right ideas, the right leadership, and sufficient money could turn these fantasies we post about all the time into reality, just as they’ve done for the other side. We already have the Communications Team - think how quickly Rush, Hannity, Levin, Malkin, and the rest of the grassroots conservative media could deliver the message. But advertizing alone can’t sell a non-existent product. We have a great product (Conservatism) - but it’s not packaged and presented right.


21 posted on 11/12/2013 11:17:45 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

YES WE CAN.

The way to do it is to seize control of local municipal and County committee seats, County charimanships and state committee seats and then work from there UPWARDS with municipal councils, mayors, etc.


22 posted on 11/12/2013 11:18:19 AM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

Nelson, I’ve read your material at Le Metropole Café, but I had no idea you were a FReeper. Good to have you on board.


23 posted on 11/12/2013 11:18:26 AM PST by Publius
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To: Nelson Hultberg

Taking over the Party will require taking out the current “leadership”, either in the Primary, OR in the General.


24 posted on 11/12/2013 11:31:34 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Nelson Hultberg

We can if we plug into every spot there is from the local precinct to the WH....it requires hard work and diligence but it MUST be done


25 posted on 11/12/2013 11:33:02 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Paladin2

Removing Midge McConnell in KY is a must do, then.

https://mattbevin.com


26 posted on 11/12/2013 11:33:21 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Tea Party activists are making a serious mistake to think that the Republican Party can be taken over simply by electing "conservative legislators" to go to Washington.

Absolutely correct. The proper approach to taking over the party is to capture the controls of the party machine at the precinct, district, country, and state levels. The candidate is least of the concerns; of course good candidates are important, but they don't equal control. Control comes from infrastructure.

A new party is a self-defeating exercise, with many examples. It is a lot simpler to capture the existing infrastructure and turn it than to create it from the ground up and do battle with both the DNC and RNC, who have heavily stacked the rules in their favor.

27 posted on 11/12/2013 11:43:14 AM PST by kevkrom (It's not "immigration reform", it's an "amnesty bill". Take back the language!)
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Short Answer:

Not only NO. HELL NO!!!!!!!!

28 posted on 11/12/2013 11:43:16 AM PST by ImpBill (Not a Democrat nor a Republican - I'm an American and I want my country back!)
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To: Jane Long
"Removing Midge McConnell in KY is a must do, then."

Yep.

Mitch has recognized this threat, has called out the TEA Party and is busy attacking TEA Party politicians and candidates.

It's all out War.

29 posted on 11/12/2013 11:43:44 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Conservatives need to completely discard the neocon suicide belt.


30 posted on 11/12/2013 11:46:29 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

Conservatives splitting from the Republican Party is one sure way to guarantee the left will triumph, but it will offer principled voters the security of knowing they did the right thing, even though it will end up all wrong. It will be a wonderful way to get Hillary, or someone worse, just like Ross Perot gave us Bill, twice. Revolutions aren’t won by shooting yourself in the foot. From the days of Gramsci writing on matchbooks in a dark cell, to the cultural revolution of the sixties, to the wholesale takeover of the Democratic Party, the media and our educational institutions by the fanatical left, decades were required. It never would have happened had leftist ideologues abandoned the Democratic Party. In the end it is simple mathematics. In a 50/50 divide (loosely speaking), the party that stays 50 while the other splits 25/25 wins.

Should the Republican Party lose the viability to be a majority party in Washington, the solution isn’t for the disillusioned, de facto disenfranchised to take their principles and throw their own party. The solution will be for the minority party to join the majority party, and settle in for a long revolution to break it up, and tear it down, and change it from the inside out.

The Tea Party is still a young movement, and it has a long ways to go, as the Cuccinelli failure demonstrates. Usurping the status quo of the Republican Party will require organization, funding, a willingness to stay in the fight of winning hearts, minds and votes, just like the left did throughout the long years of their revolution. If the Tea Party and conservatives lack the commitment to win back the America that has been lost, splitting into a third party or four parties, or a European smorgasbord of political activists won’t help a thing.


31 posted on 11/12/2013 11:55:21 AM PST by pallis
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To: Nelson Hultberg

I doubt if the GOP will ever be turned into a conservative organization.
The TEA Party can’t do it.
Conservatives should join the Whigs that were resurrected 6 years ago as a conservative, Constitution loving, pro-small government organization. It would certainly be an easier path that converting the liberals in the GOP.


32 posted on 11/12/2013 12:00:02 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: pallis
" just like Ross Perot gave us Bill, twice."

Yes, Perot gave us Clinton. But Bush gave us Perot. Conservatives don't have to win the first time. They just have to stop losing all the time.

33 posted on 11/12/2013 12:02:28 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Nelson Hultberg
Can Conservatives Take Over the GOP?

That depends on where you live, on how many local white working-class voters are susceptible to a values argument, and how damaged the brand is where you live.

As a national program? I seriously doubt it.

The next second party will have to appeal to Wal-Mart shoppers and young white HS graduates. The next second party is going to have to hang some banksters out to dry. The next second party is going to have to revive manufacturing. The GOP is poorly situated - VERY poorly, where I live - to do this.

Palin/Warren.

34 posted on 11/12/2013 12:06:33 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Nelson Hultberg
There is another route, however, to pursue, which will bring victory for the conservative cause in 2016. But it will require as Steve Jobs always said to, "THINK DIFFERENT!"

Go White, Go Right, or Go Home.

35 posted on 11/12/2013 12:07:43 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: bigbob
If the Kochs, Adelsteins, et al are willing to back AFR, then we could see something pretty interesting

The next second party is more likely to arrest the Kochs and the Adelsteins.

36 posted on 11/12/2013 12:09:34 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Nelson Hultberg

F the Whigs


37 posted on 11/12/2013 12:11:44 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: Nelson Hultberg
I'm pretty sure it didn't all start with Nixon or with the neocons. What you say about Nixon was also said about Eisenhower, and neocon influence was most potent in foreign policy, rather than in domestic or economic policy.

Nixon would have been who he was and done what he did without any neocons (though he did take a shine to Moynihan). He was more or less where the country and the Republican Party in Washington were back then.

We will have to create a whole new array of banking moguls on Wall Street who respect Jefferson and Smith instead of Marx and Keynes.

So much is wrong in that sentence. Crony capitalism and corruption will persist whatever happens with "Wall Street Marxism." Good political intentions only last so long in people. Temptation never goes away, even for admirers of Jefferson or Smith.

38 posted on 11/12/2013 12:38:08 PM PST by x
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To: ex-snook

I guess this time it would be Obama giving us a Perotesque party, and that electing Tea Party conservatives into office as third party candidates, as opposed to electing them as Republicans, will transform the status quo. ...(?)

Too bad we can’t get the Democrats to try it.

If we could get the left to split its vote, conservatives might actually gain something by splitting the Republican vote, besides electing Democrats.


39 posted on 11/12/2013 1:17:48 PM PST by pallis
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To: Nelson Hultberg

It has been done before.


40 posted on 11/12/2013 1:23:30 PM PST by Lady Heron
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