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We weren't there of course, but if this kid's back was turned when he was shot, there's a problem. And, how's the kid going to turn in response to being spoken to without at least slightly turning the 'gun', too? The way I understand it, the Sheriff DIDN'T IDENTIFY HIMSELF to the kid. That should've been the first words out of his mouth.

This 'cop' overreacted due to a hero complex anxious to get his first human kill. He may be a good guy but he did what a lot of cops do and abused his power under the color of authority.

The ONLY way this cop is innocent is if the kid had a 'suicide by cop' thing going on and willfully took drew upon the cop.

We weren’t there of course,

>an excellent reason not to have an opinion, which I don’t. I’ve read of massively worse (unprosecuted) cases of police abuse and I can appreciate the reaction or the sentiment, and I am not a reflexive supporter of LE, probably lean the other way. The reaction is based upon the death of a kid. If he was a grubby 275 lb Ted Kaszcinsky type with a scowl on his face, I don’t believe anybody would be making anything out of this.

but if this kid’s back was turned when he was shot, there’s a problem.

Maybe. >>But not a 4th amendment problem.<<

And, how’s the kid going to turn in response to being spoken to without at least slightly turning the ‘gun’, too? The way I understand it, the Sheriff DIDN’T IDENTIFY HIMSELF to the kid. That should’ve been the first words out of his mouth.

We don’t know that. I can turn my head without turning my torso and I’m a heck of a lot less flexible than a 13 y/o. Plus, wasn’t the sheriff’s command to DROP the weapon? The kid has no responsibility at all, zero, can’t even carry the gun with a strap on his back so it’s not being presented in a “ready-to-fire” way? Can’t even carry holding the muzzle to show he’s not ready to fire? No awareness at all, none, of the possible implications of wielding a weapony-looking thing walking down the street?

Honestly, I have no interest in discussing this and please don’t take offense at that comment. I don’t really like speculating about stuff I know nothing about. “We” have done this a zillion times speculating about every nanosecond in the Trayvon Martin timeline and the Oscar whatever guy who got shot on BART and it’s all a bunch of blather for which I just don’t have the spare neurons any more. In this case, I don’t think the 4th amendment applies, not even close, not even with the most twisted linguistic linguini the most clever lawyer in the universe can come up with. And that’s all I wish to say about it.

We weren't there of course, but if this kid's back was turned when he was shot, there's a problem.

Another problem for the stupid lawman, is that he said in his own words that he was in fear that the gun would be be turned and aimed at him. So the kid never turned the gun on the cop. Imminent danger but no threat to the cop's life. And after the kid is down and lifeless, he stands over him and drills the kid with more shots. This cop needs to be hung.

We weren't there of course, but if this kid's back was turned when he was shot, there's a problem.

During Thursday's autopsy, Dr. Arthur Josselson with the Forensic Medical Group determined one of the fatal bullets entered the right side of Lopez's chest and a second fatal wound was caused by a bullet that entered his right hip, Henry said.
Lopez was also wounded on his right wrist, left bicep, right forearm, right buttocks and right hip, all non-fatal injuries, Henry said. The doctor recovered three bullets from the body.

The way I understand it, the Sheriff DIDN'T IDENTIFY HIMSELF to the kid.

Witnesses say the deputies in Santa Rosa, Calif., twice called for Andy to “drop the gun,” before the boy turned toward the squad car, which had its lights on and had let out at least one siren chirp.
One officer, apparently perceiving that the tip of the gun was being raised in his direction as Andy turned, opened fire.