[pgkdan]

All governments spy on each other...allies or not. It just makes sense to know what the other players are up to. Spying is not the problem here. The problem is the expansive nature of the spying, the fact that NSA is spying on private citizens, both here and abroad and the fact that the NSA been tapping the private phones of world leaders. That is not ‘Business as Usual’ and it’s most certainly not naive to think that this crosses a huge line. obama is wrecking the image, honor and prestige of this nation abroad just as surely as he’s wrecking our economy, polity and rule of law here at home.

[Hardraade]

You can toleratte a lot of spying if you trust the spy and his intentions.

Obviously, no one trusts Obama.

[prof.h.mandingo]

Apples and oranges. I was referring to the “revelation” that we use FOREIGN embassies to spy on others. NSA is a separate issue for spying on US citizens in the US. We have to understand the difference and its a big difference. Spying on individuals in foreign countries is no different. We want to know what heads of state think and what their real policies are, not the bullcrap they put out for public consumption. We are just better at it. That is what is pissing off the Germans. If they had the capability they would be using it for sure.