So if an American, or someone working for America, has infiltrated the inner circle of alQuaeda and is just about to discover the whereabouts of a nuke being smuggled into the homeland in order to take out NYC, you'd out him and ensure his death by torture and the loss of a major US city because you disagree politically with the current administration
Good for you! I hope those who die and their survivors will appreciate your pov.
I’m referring to those that work to actually increase the power and execute the immoral, unethical, and unconstitutional actions of the evil organization.
And exactly how do you intend to separate the millions of Americans working for the government into these groups?
I strongly disagree with the present government, but I don't think we're (yet) to the point where patriotism requires betrayal of the country, as opposed to the government.
IMO, patriotic Germans during WWII could indeed logically have reached that conclusion. But we ain't there yet. If you think we are, you really ought to be organizing for guerrilla warfare. And possibly you are.
But IMO ratting out those who in good (or for that matter bad) faith come to our defense in the war against Islam and our other enemies because you disagree with those they report to is pretty despicable
“IMO, patriotic Germans during WWII could indeed logically have reached that conclusion.”
If only patriotic Germans had come to that conclusion BEFORE there was a war.
You do know that the US government is sending arms to Al Qaeda? You do know that in Syria, Al Qaeda is eating out hearts and killing Christians? Assad and Quadaffi are and were no angels, but these tyrants did not pose a direct threat to US security. You are probably aware that the Syrian conflict nearly spun out of control, largely because of the actions of the administration.
This means that the US government itself, especially at its head, is compromised; by giving arms, US government is effectively in the inner circle of Al Qaeda. By agitating for action in Syria and risking a nuclear war, the US government is not only incompetent, but complicit in creating instability.
I know that this is jarring, and it creates cognitive dissonance, but its true.
I think you vastly mis-read what grumpygresh actually said.