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AP: Democrat Cory Booker wins special Senate election over Lonegan
northjersey.com ^ | 10-16-2013 | Melissa Hayes

Posted on 10/16/2013 6:51:47 PM PDT by servo1969

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To: i_robot73
No, we should start getting the voting laws changed.

I respectfully disagree.

Trying to change the basic rules is a loser's tactic. It's what you do when you don't have a strong message or good policies.

If we focused on actually getting our best message out, if we tried as hard to reach the middle-of-the-road voters as we do talking to ourselves, we wouldn't fear high-turnout elections. I'm pretty sure Reagan never feared the electorate, because he knew how to talk to voters. He could cut through all the nonsense with a simple, common-sense message of optimism and faith.

Making it harder for people to vote isn't the answer. Giving people a positive reason to vote for us is.
201 posted on 10/17/2013 5:42:03 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball

Right back at ya :)

Sorry, but there’s no reason why 1 ‘major city’ (let’s say 5-10%) negates the will of the other 90-95% of the State. If anyone got the message out, it was the 90-95%.

If we still had a Constitutional Republic, it would not MATTER what the ‘message’ is....nobody could use the force of gov’t to rob another for their own benefit, ones’ own $$ could not be used to buy votes, etc.

Tell me, outside the static 40% for each party, what exactly did Romney bring to the table last round (aside from ‘ditto’ to everything O was yammering about)?

Now, WHY was there only the 2 party cartel in the debates? Because they have GAMED the system that no other voice(s) are allowed.

In the land of Capitalism, the electoral process is the ONLY place where more choices are a ‘bad thing’?!

Well, Bush was the last ‘hold my nose’ vote. The system and the message the GOP have aren’t swaying me from, at the least, a write-in.


202 posted on 10/17/2013 6:00:57 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: i_robot73

Ah, that’s a totally different issue.

I agree. The party doesn’t get our votes automatically. They need to earn them.

But that is a different subject altogether. It has nothing to do with making voting harder. We shouldn’t be restricting voting, we should be making sure that we nominate candidates worth voting for.

Conservatism is the better political philosophy. So long as we do it justice. That’s where our efforts should be - if we do our job then we don’t have to keep relying on low turnout to win statewide or national elections.


203 posted on 10/17/2013 6:42:07 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: TexGrill

I have learned over time that it can ALWAYS get worse! The real question is whether it will ever get any better. I find it hilarious that people who considered themselves to be reasonably intelligent were telling me in ‘08 that, “We can’t do any worse than what we have now.” I should be rolling in the floor laughing at their stupidity but somehow I just can’t find it in me to crack a smile right now.

I suppose I should just console myself by remembering how I, in my infinite wisdom, told them that in a couple of years they would be eating those words. Somehow that ain’t no comfort neither as my Grandpa would have said. It’s pure hell being right when you want so badly to be wrong.


204 posted on 10/17/2013 6:58:42 PM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: RipSawyer

Just wait til Hillary gets elected and we’ll be saying, “not even Bathouse Barry was that bad ...”


205 posted on 10/17/2013 7:00:23 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: RightInJersey

To #44. “You didn’t vote enough times”. Think and act like a Democrat and we can will.


206 posted on 10/17/2013 7:14:01 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Gene Eric

Yeah, I know. There are some very nice areas in my State. The politics are a lost cause. That’s what sucks about it.

I do live in a very Republican area though. We’re going to keep it that way!!!!


207 posted on 10/17/2013 7:48:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: TexGrill

Hard to imagine but you may be right, several times on FR I have mentioned my seventh grade teacher, “Miss Ruby” who used to tell us that a good woman is better than any man but a bad woman is worse than any man...then again between those two which is the man and which is the woman, I’m just not sure.


208 posted on 10/18/2013 5:05:03 AM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: highball

Restricting? Nope, open the field to any/all...best idea(s) win.

This whole B.S. ‘rules’ (5% of electorate, only XYZ on ABC, etc.) setup by the 2-party cabal are the problem


209 posted on 10/18/2013 7:15:23 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: servo1969

If this is any indication of the mentality of the electorate, we are doomed in 2014.


210 posted on 10/18/2013 8:40:05 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: i_robot73

I agree.

But when you start talking about restricting voting hours and access, that’s where you and I will part company. That’s a crutch too many conservatives are leaning on instead of crafting a winning message.

Conservatism is a natural winner, if you can get the right message out. I don’t understand the defeatism that lies beneath trying to lower turnout.


211 posted on 10/18/2013 6:56:18 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: servo1969

The left are having a field day with him brushing off his wife so abruptly during his concession speech.

212 posted on 10/18/2013 7:15:55 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: frickin_frackin
Anyway...

Booker election nullified?
Booker won't be nullified, but there's some interesting things here.

And this guy-
Frederick John LaVergne, "Democratic-Republican" for Congress.
Now there's a more honest party name.
213 posted on 10/20/2013 5:35:20 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: frickin_frackin
You're right the left are having a field day, for now.
214 posted on 10/20/2013 5:44:33 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: servo1969

Lonegan got Alfrankenated.


215 posted on 10/20/2013 11:14:44 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: novemberslady
I'd rather an honest evaluation of what went wrong than leaning on more conspiracy theories.

For his part, Lonegan is blaming the shutdown:
Conservative Republican Steve Lonegan said Monday the government shutdown crushed his chance of winning New Jersey’s Senate seat — and made him the "biggest casualty" of a GOP shutdown strategy of "no message and no game plan."

"There is no doubt in my mind or in the minds of any of my campaign staff that the shutdown cost me the election," Lonegan toldnj.com. "If I had known it was going to happen and that it was going to be handled so badly in Washington, I wouldn't have run for Senate."

216 posted on 10/22/2013 6:41:21 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Let’s take bets when Booker gets busted for corruption.

Clarification, please. Would that be for the corruption he already did, or for what he's gonna do?

And can we indict Obama at the same time?

217 posted on 10/22/2013 5:48:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: RipSawyer
I have learned over time that it can ALWAYS get worse!

Yup. The Roman historians who sucked air at the mention of Caligula, never saw Caracalla or Elegabalus or Maximinus Thrax.

It always can get worse, and -- here is Gibbon's message -- very often, it does.

218 posted on 10/22/2013 5:53:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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