Posted on 10/16/2013 3:11:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai
You’ve been sounding on this thread like you are wanting to WIN for the sake of winning.
Sigh...
R’s luv them some subsidies for the special people ,too.
The only positive that I can see is that when the can stops rolling down the street the “Obamacare Worms” will slither out.
The Senate GOP is to blame. They took this from GOP vs. DEM to GOP vs. GOP. There was no good outcome after that. And the irony is that Obama said he would never consider a short term fix yet that is exactly what is happening, but because the GOP is so f’d up, that is completely lost.
Yup. More chicanery from the GOPe.
The question now is between whether we will choose freedom (ordered liberty) or slavery to government. That is the same question which faced the men and women of 1776 and 1787!
Thankfully, they were learned individuals who had studied the history of civilization (including the histories documented in so-called "religious" writings), and they, under the guidance of Divine Providence (Declaration of Independence) produced a People's Constitution to limit government's coercive power.
Messaging which does not lay out the seriousness of the question is inadequate for the times.
How about some plain language and common sense?
"To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39
"I deem [this one of] the essential principles of our government and consequently [one] which ought to shape its administration:... The honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801. ME 3:322
"I sincerely believe... that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:23
"[With the decline of society] begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia [war of all against all], which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:40
"...there have always been those who wish to enlarge the powers of the General Government. There is but one safe rule...confine (it) within the sphere of its appropriate duties. It has no power to raise a revenue or impose taxes except for the purposes enumerated in the Constitution....Every attempt to exercise power beyond these limits should be promptly and firmly opposed." - Andrew Jackson's Valedictory
"...experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government), those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate...the minds of the people...to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth. History, by apprizing them of the past, will enable them to judge of the future...it will qualify them as judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views...." - Jefferson's Bill for the more general diffusion of knowledge for Virginia
"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant--they have been cheated; asleep--they have been surprised; divided--the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson?...the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government they should watch over it....It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free." - James Madison
"These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and the blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety." - Thomas Jefferson-First Inaugural Statement of Principles of Good Government
Correct
Are there more automatic “sequester cuts?” I wasn’t even aware the current levels are maintained, good news if true. But I didn’t know we got another round.
So,after people are finally able to sign on to the Obamacare website and learn how expensive it is, after they cannot find a doctor and after being told by a panel of bureaucrats that they are ineligible for care...
...who will they remember that tried to stop Obamacare?
Cruz is live on CPAN now giving it to the 46 Republicans who did not stand together with the House. The guy is fearless!
/johnny
With Paul Ryan leading the GOPe on the communist committee, a cave is assured.
That POS McCain is on FNC right now bashing Cruz indirectly!!!
Just like certain posters on this thread. Surprise, surprise.
Yes, you need to do better.
The Obamoids have calculated with 30 million dead Americans to implement their plan.
30 million dead Democrats would be a good start to do better.
Yeah, probably. I’m not hopeful about kicking Bonehead out, either. It’s because of the replacement bench we have, one of whom is Ryan.
He’s bashing us somewhat more directly. Situation normal.
No, I disagree. We have our neighbors, the electorate to thank.
Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
Arizona, please retire Mcpain.
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