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To: don-o; Neil E. Wright; Jim Robinson
"I am all for civil disobedience, but in today's climate it must be both massive and well organized. And people need to count the cost of what they may face."

So what? The Occupy Movement and many other subversive org supporters and celebrities have gone to jail for simple misdemeanors. Trespassing is a low level misdemeanor - it means little on your record.

So go to jail for a couple of hours for chaining ourselves (Vets mostly) together. You sit in a drunk tank (been there) until you make bail and later pay $200 or so in fines. It means nothing, but if enough Patriots did it, it would make the news.

Yes, I know that our kind have jobs. So join a protest on a weekend and call in sick on Monday if the local magistrate won't hear your case over the weekend.

Massive civil disobedience is our last hope before the shooting starts. I'm willing. In fact, I will start it if only I could find a dedicated group here in SoCal or elsewhere.

However, like I said in another thread, if the jackboots man-handled just one injured Veteran for moving a stupid 3 foot barrycade, I'll use my own money to go there and pitch such a bitch, it would get on TV. Doubt even Obambi or Holder have the balls to fight against Veterans. Other than their most ardent commie supporters, most would be outraged.

My bona fides. I'm a simple aviation Navy Veteran of 11 years (1975-1986). Let them dig up my dirt, I don't care. If Bill Clinton can get BJ's in the White House, my history is no worse.

It's time for us Veterans to make a statement while incurring the wrath of the authorities. Anyone here has the cojones to deal with it?

77 posted on 10/14/2013 1:09:41 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: A Navy Vet; Jim Robinson
Anyone here has the cojones to deal with it?

All I am saying is that one needs to be prepared for the possibility that consequences may go beyond a night in the drunk tank and a small fine.

My experience is in the prolife rescue movement. When it began, rescuers were released on recognizance. Then, they were held until bail was posted (many refused). When rescuers refused to cooperate by refusing to walk away from the clinic doors, the police applied pain compliance.

In the courts, the punishment went from dismissal of charges, to conviction and release with time served, to heavy fines and jail time.

Finally, D.A.'s came after selected leaders with RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) charges.

My point is not to oppose or discourage direct action, including civil disobedience. I do caution that eyes need to be wide open. The power can and will come down hard, depending on the circumstances.

Also, it would be Jim's call, but we might want to consider if public discussion of this nature invites unwanted attention from the wrong people to this forum.

Matthew 10:15-17

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

80 posted on 10/14/2013 5:11:09 AM PDT by don-o (Hit the FReepathon hard and fast! Nail this one for the Jimmer. Do it now!)
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