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Saudis fear tide of Syria war turning against their interests
Financial Times (FT.com) ^ | Oct 6, 2013 | Abeer Allam in Abu Dhabi

Posted on 10/07/2013 3:38:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625

Until a few weeks ago, Saudi Arabia was riding high. Its regional policies, based on countering revolutionary fervour and containing Iran, appeared to be bearing fruit. Egypt’s army ousted the Islamist president, to plaudits and generous funding from Riyadh; the Syrian opposition elected a new pro-Saudi leadership; and the US seemed poised to launch military strikes on the regime in Damascus that Saudi Arabia has tried to dislodge.

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As the challenges in Syria grow, there are fears in Riyadh that the war could drag on for more than a decade, draining Saudi coffers and destabilising the region. There are also concerns in Tehran that the proxy conflict between the two countries is getting out of control.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: shiite; suuni
The Saudis, and their al-Qaeda proxies, are in trouble in Syria. It's costing the Saudis money that they need to maintain their high-end domestic welfare state

From the perspective of the US's real interests (as opposed to Obama's and State's), letting the radicals kill each other far away from us, is a Good Thing.

1 posted on 10/07/2013 3:38:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625

Now we need to promote the use of natural gas in this country as a transportation fuel. It would be nice if we could eliminate the need to import 10 to 12% of the worlds oil. Once oil prices drop, Iran for one would need to pump and sell more oil to maintain their domestic programs. More oil on the world market should lead to much lower prices.


2 posted on 10/07/2013 3:45:48 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: PapaBear3625

I believe this is propaganda. The Saudis are worried about nothing.


3 posted on 10/07/2013 3:47:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PapaBear3625

correct. Let the Saudis and Iranis fight each other. We should only protect the Christians in Syria (10 to 15% of the population)


4 posted on 10/07/2013 4:13:38 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: meatloaf

Correct. NG, diesel and improved ICEs. also in the big cities congestion taxes (let the NYers pay for democrats)


5 posted on 10/07/2013 4:14:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: meatloaf
America's welfare/warfare state has grown up around the petrodollar arrangement between OPEC and America. By importing vast quantities of oil from OPEC nations, we are better able to maintain this arrangement. If we were to suddenly stop being a customer for OPEC oil, there would be enormous pressure on them to accept currency other than dollars which would threaten not only our way of life but all of western capitalism.

The petrodollar arrangement has been very good for us but, unfortunately, it's a jesus nut and, as such, we spend a lot of time, money, and energy ensuring that that nut doesn't come off because if it does, it's COMWEC time.

Furthermore, I'm not sure lower oil prices are a good thing for America. If supply is too high and/or demand is too low, prices drop and shale oil extraction becomes cost prohibitive.

This is my present understanding of the situation.

6 posted on 10/07/2013 4:21:22 AM PDT by RC one
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To: PapaBear3625

AQ is not a proxie for Saudi Arabia. AQ is a Saudi enemy. Usama fled Saudi Arabia because he was not wanted


7 posted on 10/07/2013 4:23:42 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

Then AQ is a proxy for Iran then.


8 posted on 10/07/2013 4:40:52 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

I think so.

I believe they have common goals and perhaps with the death of Usama bin Ladin have come closer.

I do not believe they are yet one and the same


9 posted on 10/07/2013 4:43:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Biggirl
Then AQ is a proxy for Iran then.

No, Shiite Hezbollah is associated with Iran, not Sunni al-Qaeda.

10 posted on 10/07/2013 4:45:50 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Sacajaweau

Everyone living in the mess that is the Middle East is worried — all the time


11 posted on 10/07/2013 5:23:30 AM PDT by expat2
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To: RC one

The shale plays, even with the low current price of natural gas, are being pursued in areas with wet gas. The money is in the butane, propane and ethane that is being stripped from the natural gas. The oil is a by product in a sense.

Lowering energy costs in this country may provide impetus for economic development. If nothing else, forcing gasoline prices lower would allow families with members that must commute to work to use the money saved for other expenses.

It might open up minimum wage jobs to people that currently can’t afford the commuting costs to get to work.


12 posted on 10/07/2013 5:25:46 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Sacajaweau

The only thing the Saudis are worried about is not getting a return on their investment by not being able to run pipe through their client state in Syria. Right now, it’s Russia’s client and not inclined to lay Saudi pipe.

The Saudis aren’t going to spend any more cash than they can afford.


13 posted on 10/07/2013 5:51:16 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: meatloaf
Now we need to promote the use of natural gas in this country as a transportation fuel. It would be nice if we could eliminate the need to import 10 to 12% of the worlds oil. Once oil prices drop, Iran for one would need to pump and sell more oil to maintain their domestic programs. More oil on the world market should lead to much lower prices.

Reagan defeated the Soviet Union by deregulating oil prices in America. We need to do the same with regard to environmental laws that effectively do the same. The problem is how do we assure responsibility while dismantling the government's ability to hold producers accountable? There is a way to do that via tort reform and insurance deregulation in a carefully designed market structure. This is where the laboratory of natural law competition among the states would shine.

14 posted on 10/07/2013 6:19:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: RC one

... it’s a jesus nut ...
***************
First time I’ve heard that term in many years!

I’m a retiree after 35 years at Bell, so I suppose you’re also very familiar with choppers. Good on ya!


15 posted on 10/07/2013 6:32:50 AM PDT by octex
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To: PapaBear3625

hmmm....sounds like somebody’s Harvard tuition receipts are about to mysteriously appear on Hillary Clinton’s coffee table...


16 posted on 10/07/2013 6:33:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PapaBear3625

Saudis fear tide of Syria war turning against their interests.

Translation: Saudis want the US to protect their interests.


17 posted on 10/07/2013 6:38:59 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Henry Hnyellar

Saudis play it close to the vest and generally announce nothing.

The announcement should be taken to mean that they are now free of the binding agreements with the USA that was holding them and their coalition of Turks and other Gulf powers from action in Syria.


18 posted on 10/07/2013 6:44:13 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

Saudis keep their friends close and their enemies even closer.


19 posted on 10/07/2013 6:44:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bert
AQ is not a proxie for Saudi Arabia. AQ is a Saudi enemy. Usama fled Saudi Arabia because he was not wanted

The "Golden Chain" , a list of financial supporters of AQ, recovered in a raid by US forces. Check out the number of wealthy Saudis.

Osama was not wanted in Saudi, but he was supported as long as he was pissing OUT of the tent, rather than IN.

20 posted on 10/07/2013 6:53:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: bert

No, Al-Nusra is the group in Syria. They are Sunni mujadeen, that are both supported by Saudi Arabia and identify as AQ (or fundamentalists enforcing Sharia to its fullest).


21 posted on 10/07/2013 6:53:30 AM PDT by struggle
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To: PapaBear3625

You confuse wealthy with government


22 posted on 10/07/2013 7:01:28 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: PapaBear3625

Bingo. The Turks are part of this twisted arrangement too. They endorse the caliphate.


23 posted on 10/07/2013 7:10:49 AM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: PapaBear3625

how long until the (possible) muslim in the WH puts boots on the ground in syria to advance the interests of the jihadis in riyadh?


24 posted on 10/07/2013 7:14:04 AM PDT by stonewall_jackson215
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To: bert
You confuse wealthy with government

You confuse Saudi Arabia with the average democratic state. The Saudi state IS the oligarchy.

A Saudi who acts in a way which displeases the Royal Family WILL die. Therefore, it can safely be assumed that Saudis supporting AQ are doing so with the tacit approval of the Royals.

25 posted on 10/07/2013 7:15:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Translation: Saudis want the US to protect their interests.

That's what we've been doing for the last 25 years. Every US military action has been to benefit the Saudis, from Kuwait, to Bosnia/Kosovo, to Iraq.

26 posted on 10/07/2013 7:19:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PapaBear3625
Tough Darts.
27 posted on 10/07/2013 7:27:40 AM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: meatloaf

How about just taking the lid off of all American energy resources? Coal is still viable in many regions, but wouldn’t it be great to have mini-nuclear reactors serving 10-20,000 homes/households? That kind of distributed power would end a lot of the risks of terror or cosmological damage to our power system. If each were built with a 100% over capacity you’d be well covered. Simply add additional buried units as a population expands and hook it up to the grid.


28 posted on 10/07/2013 7:35:28 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
LOL! We can only hope.

But they would have to appear on more than Hillary's coffee table to have any chance of making the MSM.

29 posted on 10/07/2013 8:26:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: PapaBear3625

no


30 posted on 10/07/2013 8:50:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: bert

You’re welcome to your opinion.


31 posted on 10/07/2013 9:11:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I know first hand.


32 posted on 10/07/2013 10:04:54 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: PapaBear3625

I’ve said for decades that the corrupt, crookedass, Soddies are going to get their throats cut eventually. That’s what Osama wanted and the pendulum is still swinging.


33 posted on 10/07/2013 10:15:23 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: octex; RC one

Off topic: So ... what exactly is a jesus nut? Something that results in a disaster beyond duct tape’s ability to repair?


34 posted on 10/07/2013 1:51:50 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: RC one

Who here knows offhand what a Jesus but is? :)


35 posted on 10/07/2013 3:45:08 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Cloverfarm

Pin that holds the rotor to the shaft


36 posted on 10/07/2013 3:47:19 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bert

You seem to be defending Saudi Arabia a lot. Al Qaeda has nothing to do with Iran, Zawahiri even went as far as to declare war on Shiites saying they are the enemy just as much as we and Israel are. In Syria, they have been destroying and targeting Shiite holy sites as well as churches, in Iraq they have been bombing Shiite mosques, in Pakistan they have been attacking Shiite pilgrims.

So to simplify, their leader is vehemently against iran and Shiite islam, their actions are to openly target Shiites for being Shiite. Iran has militias in Syria fighting al Qaeda. Given these facts, your conclusion is that Iran is backing al Qaeda?
I can’t possibly believe that you are being genuine. Either you are a Sunni muslim, or a troll, or rather ignorant.


37 posted on 10/07/2013 6:07:36 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: bert

Lol...Saudi Arabia IS Al Queda, at least as far as money and shot calling goes.


38 posted on 10/07/2013 7:26:00 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: hannibaal

I recognize what you have said and acknowledge it was true sometime back. My belief now is that there might be some convergence in order to achieve the power over the current rulers. The fact is, I do not know that to be true or totally untrue.

I do know that the wrap of secrecy on the coalition attempting to end the Assad regime has come off. The coalition is attacking Syria to end the mischief perpetrated for Iran.

There is a belief here that Saudi Arabia is AQ. I do not believe that based on dealing with Saudis that have no interest in the radical path. If I were to accuse several here of being abortionists or gun haters or taxers it would seen ridiculous. But that is precisely the mind set of many. They attribute the thoughts and actions of a portion of the Saudi population to the whole and then extrapolate that to all of Islam. It is shallow.


39 posted on 10/08/2013 4:57:53 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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