Skip to comments.Saudis fear tide of Syria war turning against their interests
Posted on 10/07/2013 3:38:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
Until a few weeks ago, Saudi Arabia was riding high. Its regional policies, based on countering revolutionary fervour and containing Iran, appeared to be bearing fruit. Egypts army ousted the Islamist president, to plaudits and generous funding from Riyadh; the Syrian opposition elected a new pro-Saudi leadership; and the US seemed poised to launch military strikes on the regime in Damascus that Saudi Arabia has tried to dislodge.
As the challenges in Syria grow, there are fears in Riyadh that the war could drag on for more than a decade, draining Saudi coffers and destabilising the region. There are also concerns in Tehran that the proxy conflict between the two countries is getting out of control.
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From the perspective of the US's real interests (as opposed to Obama's and State's), letting the radicals kill each other far away from us, is a Good Thing.
Now we need to promote the use of natural gas in this country as a transportation fuel. It would be nice if we could eliminate the need to import 10 to 12% of the worlds oil. Once oil prices drop, Iran for one would need to pump and sell more oil to maintain their domestic programs. More oil on the world market should lead to much lower prices.
I believe this is propaganda. The Saudis are worried about nothing.
correct. Let the Saudis and Iranis fight each other. We should only protect the Christians in Syria (10 to 15% of the population)
Correct. NG, diesel and improved ICEs. also in the big cities congestion taxes (let the NYers pay for democrats)
The petrodollar arrangement has been very good for us but, unfortunately, it's a jesus nut and, as such, we spend a lot of time, money, and energy ensuring that that nut doesn't come off because if it does, it's COMWEC time.
Furthermore, I'm not sure lower oil prices are a good thing for America. If supply is too high and/or demand is too low, prices drop and shale oil extraction becomes cost prohibitive.
This is my present understanding of the situation.
AQ is not a proxie for Saudi Arabia. AQ is a Saudi enemy. Usama fled Saudi Arabia because he was not wanted
Then AQ is a proxy for Iran then.
I think so.
I believe they have common goals and perhaps with the death of Usama bin Ladin have come closer.
I do not believe they are yet one and the same
No, Shiite Hezbollah is associated with Iran, not Sunni al-Qaeda.
Everyone living in the mess that is the Middle East is worried — all the time
The shale plays, even with the low current price of natural gas, are being pursued in areas with wet gas. The money is in the butane, propane and ethane that is being stripped from the natural gas. The oil is a by product in a sense.
Lowering energy costs in this country may provide impetus for economic development. If nothing else, forcing gasoline prices lower would allow families with members that must commute to work to use the money saved for other expenses.
It might open up minimum wage jobs to people that currently can’t afford the commuting costs to get to work.
The only thing the Saudis are worried about is not getting a return on their investment by not being able to run pipe through their client state in Syria. Right now, it’s Russia’s client and not inclined to lay Saudi pipe.
The Saudis aren’t going to spend any more cash than they can afford.
Reagan defeated the Soviet Union by deregulating oil prices in America. We need to do the same with regard to environmental laws that effectively do the same. The problem is how do we assure responsibility while dismantling the government's ability to hold producers accountable? There is a way to do that via tort reform and insurance deregulation in a carefully designed market structure. This is where the laboratory of natural law competition among the states would shine.
... it’s a jesus nut ...
First time I’ve heard that term in many years!
I’m a retiree after 35 years at Bell, so I suppose you’re also very familiar with choppers. Good on ya!
hmmm....sounds like somebody’s Harvard tuition receipts are about to mysteriously appear on Hillary Clinton’s coffee table...
Saudis fear tide of Syria war turning against their interests.
Translation: Saudis want the US to protect their interests.
Saudis play it close to the vest and generally announce nothing.
The announcement should be taken to mean that they are now free of the binding agreements with the USA that was holding them and their coalition of Turks and other Gulf powers from action in Syria.
Saudis keep their friends close and their enemies even closer.
The "Golden Chain" , a list of financial supporters of AQ, recovered in a raid by US forces. Check out the number of wealthy Saudis.
Osama was not wanted in Saudi, but he was supported as long as he was pissing OUT of the tent, rather than IN.
No, Al-Nusra is the group in Syria. They are Sunni mujadeen, that are both supported by Saudi Arabia and identify as AQ (or fundamentalists enforcing Sharia to its fullest).
You confuse wealthy with government
Bingo. The Turks are part of this twisted arrangement too. They endorse the caliphate.
how long until the (possible) muslim in the WH puts boots on the ground in syria to advance the interests of the jihadis in riyadh?
You confuse Saudi Arabia with the average democratic state. The Saudi state IS the oligarchy.
A Saudi who acts in a way which displeases the Royal Family WILL die. Therefore, it can safely be assumed that Saudis supporting AQ are doing so with the tacit approval of the Royals.
That's what we've been doing for the last 25 years. Every US military action has been to benefit the Saudis, from Kuwait, to Bosnia/Kosovo, to Iraq.
How about just taking the lid off of all American energy resources? Coal is still viable in many regions, but wouldn’t it be great to have mini-nuclear reactors serving 10-20,000 homes/households? That kind of distributed power would end a lot of the risks of terror or cosmological damage to our power system. If each were built with a 100% over capacity you’d be well covered. Simply add additional buried units as a population expands and hook it up to the grid.
But they would have to appear on more than Hillary's coffee table to have any chance of making the MSM.
You’re welcome to your opinion.
I know first hand.
I’ve said for decades that the corrupt, crookedass, Soddies are going to get their throats cut eventually. That’s what Osama wanted and the pendulum is still swinging.
Off topic: So ... what exactly is a jesus nut? Something that results in a disaster beyond duct tape’s ability to repair?
Who here knows offhand what a Jesus but is? :)
Pin that holds the rotor to the shaft
You seem to be defending Saudi Arabia a lot. Al Qaeda has nothing to do with Iran, Zawahiri even went as far as to declare war on Shiites saying they are the enemy just as much as we and Israel are. In Syria, they have been destroying and targeting Shiite holy sites as well as churches, in Iraq they have been bombing Shiite mosques, in Pakistan they have been attacking Shiite pilgrims.
So to simplify, their leader is vehemently against iran and Shiite islam, their actions are to openly target Shiites for being Shiite. Iran has militias in Syria fighting al Qaeda. Given these facts, your conclusion is that Iran is backing al Qaeda?
I can’t possibly believe that you are being genuine. Either you are a Sunni muslim, or a troll, or rather ignorant.
Lol...Saudi Arabia IS Al Queda, at least as far as money and shot calling goes.
I recognize what you have said and acknowledge it was true sometime back. My belief now is that there might be some convergence in order to achieve the power over the current rulers. The fact is, I do not know that to be true or totally untrue.
I do know that the wrap of secrecy on the coalition attempting to end the Assad regime has come off. The coalition is attacking Syria to end the mischief perpetrated for Iran.
There is a belief here that Saudi Arabia is AQ. I do not believe that based on dealing with Saudis that have no interest in the radical path. If I were to accuse several here of being abortionists or gun haters or taxers it would seen ridiculous. But that is precisely the mind set of many. They attribute the thoughts and actions of a portion of the Saudi population to the whole and then extrapolate that to all of Islam. It is shallow.