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To: hiho hiho
Certainly wasn’t John Calvin.

Could have been. Bar music adapted by Reform pastors, churches, hymn writers were not drinking songs. Bar music is a form of medieval German poety.
28 posted on 10/03/2013 3:35:19 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: righttackle44; OneVike
It is interesting that the leaders of the Reformation were leery of the organ. The current trend is away from organs because they are too "churchy." The Reformers were fearful that they were too secular!

Like it or not, the Reformers were trying to purify the church more than make it relevant to the popular culture.

From here — http://voices.yahoo.com/what-effects-did-reformation-church-music-2066197.html

At the beginning of the reformation the organ's use in the church service was without question. It was associated with current secularism and street programs. Luther rarely directly addressed the issue; however, he did express some consent against it. As mentioned earlier, Zwingli's followers tore down many organs in churches as protest. Although Zwingli never directly supported these acts, he did not say anything against it either. For the most part, the Lutheran church left the issue of the organ as adiaphorous, that is neither approved nor forbidden. The primary objection that existed over the issue was that no love songs were played upon it and only psalms and sacred songs were played on the organ. Also, that it was not played in such a length or autocracy that it imposed on the parts of the service. Interestingly enough, it was saw in both Protestant and Catholic church that a familiar vocal piece that was played alone on the organ could take the place of a vocalized song because of the familiarity.

Something that some found offensive about the organ was a soloistic performance on the organ. It was saw as an “objectionable assertion of individuality, inappropriate to the ideas of the priesthood of all believers and of the congregationally centered lay service.(Douglas, 107).” Also, the use of secular melodic ideas on the organ was found to be offensive in the church. In the mind set of the people of that day, certain pieces were aloud, and even rose to liturgical service. Certain forms of secular music just were not admitted in the church service. It was these pieces that found offense in the hearts of the congregation when played on the organ. So, certain popular melodies that would be recognized as offensive could not be translated into worship songs, even if a new text were applied to the melody(Music in the Renaissance).

30 posted on 10/03/2013 4:52:30 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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