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To: cloudmountain

I don’t like your answer either. The fact is that humans have sex. I don’t understand kids this young having sex together. I have children that age and I really can’t understand how that occurred. I really can’t.

That being said what is done is done. How does putting the parents in jail mean anything? How is society served by putting parents in jail.

I think the law and order conservative has wrought enough heart ache on the world. Remember the law and order conservative created the war on drugs and prohibition. It also brought us Bill Clinton’s 100,000 new cops on the beat and all the busy work that it entails. Law and Order conservatives need to agree to punish crimes with victims harshly but stay out of stuff like this. Seat belt laws, cell phone laws, even the questionable DUI at .08 are questionable things.

MADD, another law and order conservative type whined and cried and got the .o8 passed. They created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecutors. What had happened previously was that drunk drivers were not held accountable even when they caused accidents. The solution from MADD was to create a whole industry around DUI. The better response would have been to throw out BAC levels until an accident occurs. Punish a drunk driver who causes an accident with permanent drivers license revocation huge fines and imprisonment for many many years. This approach requires a victim. That’s the point. A victim.

I have had quite enough of the Law and Order conservative.


86 posted on 09/30/2013 10:49:50 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

MADD, another law and order conservative type whined and cried and got the .o8 passed. They created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecutors. What had happened previously was that drunk drivers were not held accountable even when they caused accidents. The solution from MADD was to create a whole industry around DUI. The better response would have been to throw out BAC levels until an accident occurs. Punish a drunk driver who causes an accident with permanent drivers license revocation huge fines and imprisonment for many many years. This approach requires a victim. That’s the point. A victim.

I have had quite enough of the Law and Order conservative.

NAILED IT!!!

Laws should ONLY be Punitative and NEVER preventative, otherwise they punish the Law Abiding!

Same damned way with Seatbelt laws, which in my opinion should be immedately repealed...


91 posted on 09/30/2013 12:18:22 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: DariusBane
I don’t like your answer either. The fact is that humans have sex. I don’t understand kids this young having sex together. I have children that age and I really can’t understand how that occurred. I really can’t.
That occurred because parents were absent...a whole lot for her to feel so confident. Imagine if they HADN'T come home; they would STILL be clueless. See my answer in #95.

That being said what is done is done. How does putting the parents in jail mean anything? How is society served by putting parents in jail.
Jail for a few days MAY wake them up. I would prefer hitting parents in their MOST TENDER spot: the pocket book. If they were fined...oooo would that hurt!
Society is served by letting parents know that they have a HUGE responsibility to take care of their "children," even if those "children" are 13-17.

100 posted on 09/30/2013 3:42:51 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: DariusBane
I think the law and order conservative has wrought enough heart ache on the world. Remember the law and order conservative created the war on drugs and prohibition. It also brought us Bill Clinton’s 100,000 new cops on the beat and all the busy work that it entails. Law and Order conservatives need to agree to punish crimes with victims harshly but stay out of stuff like this. Seat belt laws, cell phone laws, even the questionable DUI at .08 are questionable things.
Bill Clinton was no conservative, in any way, shape or form. The fact that such a LIBERAL Democrat brought forth 100,000 new cops, which I truly doubt as the number on the Internet don't agree with that, showed that new cops were essential. If the GOP had had their way, perhaps there would have been MORE new cops than 100,000.

What "law and order conservative" created prohibition? Are you talking Eliot Ness/Frank Nitty and friends? What?

MADD, another law and order conservative type whined and cried and got the .o8 passed. They created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecutors.
So MADD created a whole industry of judges, cops, attorneys and prosecuters??? Wow, even THEY don't think that they had THAT much power.
The ballot box showed WHO was tired of drunken drivers and the highest offender-group, males, 18-25, getting off with slaps on the wrist for drinking and driving.
STANFORD UNIVERSITY has an entire wing for the body parts of young males who have died driving the way that group drives. For the motorcyclists (almost ALL young males) they coined the term "donor-cycle" to demonstrate how that group of males are "prime donors" for body parts for the rest of the human family.

What had happened previously was that drunk drivers were not held accountable even when they caused accidents. The solution from MADD was to create a whole industry around DUI. The better response would have been to throw out BAC levels until an accident occurs. Punish a drunk driver who causes an accident with permanent drivers license revocation huge fines and imprisonment for many many years. This approach requires a victim. That’s the point. A victim.
Permanent driver's license revocation was suggested but turned down in California because the folks in SOUTHERN California HAVE NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION and rely totally on the CAR. Since they have most of the voters in that state, they had their way.
Personally, I like that idea, but it won't happen in California, the third largest economy in the WORLD.

I have had quite enough of the Law and Order conservative.
Have you now? Well, if their counterpart, the non-Law and Order liberal were in charge, I BET you wouldn't like THEM either. Just a guess, not sure.

101 posted on 09/30/2013 4:03:26 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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