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EXCLUSIVE: Laser horror as attempts to blind pilots puts UK passengers at risk
espress.co.uk ^ | Teds Jeory

Posted on 09/28/2013 7:45:21 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey

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To: Elsiejay
Anyone here know the details of an incident involving a laser beam aimed at the pilot of a U.S. Navy aircraft in the Puget Sound area some years ago? The pilot was able to land the plane, but his flying career was terminated.


It was a Russian “trawler” so I think it can be safely assumed it was more powerful than the usual store bought lasers...:^)

http://web.kitsapsun.com/news/99sept/daily/0909a1d.html

41 posted on 09/28/2013 10:14:26 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: MeshugeMikey

Terrorists or not... easy to fix with a well placed sniper.


42 posted on 09/28/2013 11:16:37 PM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Muslims.


43 posted on 09/29/2013 3:49:26 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

A hacked drone is a missile. Keep away from airports!


44 posted on 09/29/2013 6:16:45 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

AH. Yes there might be some wrinkles in my “plan”


45 posted on 09/29/2013 6:31:34 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Elsiejay

I’m not sure of the resolution of that incident but I believe I remember a pilot somewhere in the US undergoing that sort of harrowing mess some years back.


46 posted on 09/29/2013 6:38:05 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: DBrow

“Better to teach ethics and responsibility in schools.” and deport all the would be laser using jihadists....


47 posted on 09/29/2013 6:39:43 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Safrguns

thats what I was secretly thinking....

no one in their right mind would allow this to comtinue regardless of what steps had to be taken to see to it that it STOP.

Its not that the targets would be hard to see....


48 posted on 09/29/2013 6:44:45 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: popdonnelly

Im surprised that some mooselim jackass hasnt posted a video of their laser adventurism on facebook as yet.


49 posted on 09/29/2013 6:45:56 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: DBrow

In case you didn’t know a laser is considered a point source when ray tracing and figuring out where it goes. It does indeed drop off with distance squared. Moreover the DISTRIBUTION is NOT Lambertian.

The largest factors with lasers particularly visible wavelengths, include the atmospheric interference ( just traveling in air cause power drop and spot spread) and then distance travelled.


50 posted on 09/29/2013 7:31:10 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: DBrow

By the way your last sentence should give you all you need to calculate the actual power distribution of the laser at 2kilometers. You will find that spreading a half a watt into 2.5 meters makes it non damaging in any sense of the word.

The DANGER comes from staring directly at a beam. But one would not KNOW if they had encountered a direct shot until damage was done. For a visible wavelength lasr if you can see the beam it is not a direct hit on your fovea


51 posted on 09/29/2013 7:34:24 AM PDT by Nifster
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But many of them are Muzzies.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1017/laser-pointers-from-the-muslim-mid-west-illegal-immigration-abu-moskowitz/

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1439/religion-of-laser-pointers-blinding-pilots/


52 posted on 09/29/2013 7:53:04 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Nifster

Calculate the dropoff of a .1 milliradian beam spread, it’s not 1/r2 like a candle or led. Double the distance, w/cm2 does not go down by 4. When you get out to where diffraction enhances beam spread then it drops faster.

You are correct, the laser is not Lambertian unless it strikes a Lambertian surface. Beam shape is most likely Gaussian at farfield.

When I measure a laser beam up close then at, say, 50 feet, as long as the beam fits in the detector aperture, the energy is almost the same. If it’s in an atmospheric absorption band it will attenuate more.


53 posted on 09/29/2013 8:01:58 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Nifster

Correct, it is “eye safe” at that range. But it can startle you and cause temporary blindness (flash blindness) when all you can see is afterimages. It will light up the aircraft cabin with a bright light if you are dark adapted, wrecking your night vision. Not a great thing when landing.

You’d need something beyond a handheld to do more than startle and distract a pilot.

Claims of “retinal damage” in cases where someone paints an airplane with a beam may be attempts to influence a potential jury. (I’m not sure about the Russian trawler vs pilot story, there is not enough information given in the clear for that one.) I’ve looked at a number of cases and the laser power was too low. One case was where a guy brought a work laser home for Halloween and zapped a copter (accidentally) at a range of 3 km- he used a 12 W Argon multimode! No retinal damage, there was no direct viewing plus the beam at that range was big enough to make even a 12W beam “eyesafe” according to the standards. For sure everyone within a couple of miles saw that beam!

On the other hand there are increasing cases of retinal damage at laser shows at big dance events. Frequently the laser is used to scan the crowd, so there can be direct intrabeam viewing. There were several cases of camera damage from laser light shows. In Russia two years ago the show operator scanned the inside surface of a glossy white tent and hurt some people with the light scattered off the tent, with I think a 6W diode laser.


54 posted on 09/29/2013 8:14:56 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

You and I are on the same page.

Sounds like you are spending your career doing the kind of work I did for my career.

I think the thing that bothers me most about the ‘handheld laser’ is that people are truly unaware of safety and proper use. If they only blind them selves no problem. Blinding (or damaging) another is a big deal.


55 posted on 09/30/2013 8:59:25 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: MeshugeMikey

Mount a minigun on the aircraft that fires back down the path of the laser.

That should knock the problem back fairly quick.


56 posted on 09/30/2013 9:06:05 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (We the People sent you to DEFUND it, not defend or delay it!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I was just discussing this with a pal yesterday.

One wonders whether the ISRAELIS might not already have equipped thieir planes in such a manner?

Odd that this majority of these laser Attacks are occurring in Sharia Crippled “Great Britain”


57 posted on 09/30/2013 9:16:59 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Nifster

Yeah, people don’t realize what a little Class 3B laser can do. And a handheld Class 4! I saw a 2.5W 477 nm (pretty blue) laser for sale. They’d ship it to your door and practically encourage you to “pop balloons, light matches, firecracker fuses, and melt plastic”!

Painting an aircraft cockpit would give the pilots a nasty surprise and deep afterimages, but in a living room you could certainly fry a line on your retina, or possibly your neighbor’s.

The Russian incident involved scattered light off a tent surface (the very definition of Class 4..lights fires and scattered light is dangerous.


58 posted on 09/30/2013 9:35:27 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I keep my lasers well contained and can only be used by well trained folks.....kind of like my fire arms


59 posted on 09/30/2013 9:38:12 AM PDT by Nifster
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