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As a Kenyan I felt I have to respond to some of the posts on this thread. This is not blind patriotism but simply an attempt to inject some logic into some of the posts. The first three I reference are not bad, and to be honest there are a number of things that could have been done better (although considering Kenya is a 'third world crap hole' as Seminole County so astutely reminded us, I am surprised the security forces did such a good job considering the extent of the attack ...I didn't even know our special forces used FN SCARs and M4s), I am just trying to add a new angle. The last one - about Kenyatta celebrating the death of (to use the poster's ghetto speak) 'honkies and oreos getting capped' is idiotic. And no, this is not about 'hurt feelings' - although, considering the dead, feelings would be a totally viable response to such idiocy - but the fact that some day you Americans will also be hit by the sme type of Jihadis, and I doubt any of you will respect asinine comments from someone living 10,000 miles away talking crap. I don't expect Seminole County to comprehend that, but maybe the rest of you will.

Anyways, to respond to the posts ...

72+ dead, 240 injured, three floors collapsed......a victory for who? - Toespi

A victory for the over 1,000 rescued. A victory in that the vile acts of these unwashed didn't break the nation. Kind of similar to how the 9/11 attacks did not break NYC, and America at large. A victory in that the attack has brought a country that had various schisms together (it has been amazing on the ground). In a large terrorist attack there will always be casaulties, and if one's measure of success is based on zero dead/injured then every single act the terrorists accomplish goes their way. Victory is not about the act, it is about how the act is dealt with, and how the people embroiled in that action handle it.

The Victory goes, of course, to the Jihadis. They did not expect to finish it alive. They set out to create mayhem and fear. They created mayhem and fear. They won. - Arthurus

Well, 6 were killed and 11 caught alive. If they didn't expect to finish alive then 11 of them messed up, and right now they must be wishing they were in Gitmo because of what will be done to them. As for creating mayhem and fear ...they succeeded in the mayhem and not so much on the fear. People have been coming together to help out, whether it is having food for the soldiers or donating blood. Already there is a movement that people will keep going to the other malls and will not be stopped by fear. This action has served to steel the people and bring them together. Again, to bring 9/11 (since some only put things into context when American lives are involved), the jihadis wreaked a lot of havoc that September. A lot of mayhem, including the destruction of buildings and the loss of almost three THOUSAND lives. Did the terrorists win? Well, ask your average New Yorker if they won.

Nice work, Kenyatta; however, a victory would have been all terrorists killed and no citizens harmed in any way. - Jack Hammer

Is that possible? If it happened in the Mall of America, for instance, there would be no citizen harmed? If those are the standards for victory then I guess the entire war on terror has been a waste of time as the terrorists always seem able to kill some people. Additionally, there have been several attacks that have been stopped before they even started. It is just that it is a numbers game ...eventually one goes through, as happened in Kenya, and as is bound to happen in the US some day. Who knows ...I may decide to question then, when Americans are mourning and everyone is hanging American flags and saying the terrorists cannot win, that the terrorists have already won. After all, they killed people, didn't they? Although, knowing myself, I will be sensitive and mourn with your country. Takes more heart (and brains) to do that than the alternative.

Is this Kenyatta related to Mau Mau leader and former president Jomo Kenyatta? If he is...he is cheering how many honkies and oreos got capped. Kenya is still a Third World Africa Craphole - Seminole County

Yes, he is related to Jomo Kenyatta. As for him laughing at honkies and oreos getting 'capped,' considering his sister and son were rescued from that mall, and he lost his nephew (and nephew's fiance), I somewhat doubt he is doing a jig. As for Kenya being a third world Africa craphole, I am not sure what that has to do with the terrorist attacks, but when the US gets hit (as we all know will happen ...it is a numbers game) don't act surprised when you see some people not being as supportive. There is a lot to love about the US, but some Americans are insensitive assholes.