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California Gives Expanded Rights to Noncitizens
New York Times ^ | September 20, 2013 | By Jennifer Medina

Posted on 09/21/2013 1:41:20 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

LOS ANGELES — California is challenging the historic status of American citizenship with measures to permit noncitizens to sit on juries and monitor polls for elections in which they cannot vote and to open the practice of law even to those here illegally. It is the leading edge of a national trend that includes granting drivers’ licenses and in-state tuition to illegal immigrants in some states and that suggests legal residency could evolve into an appealing option should immigration legislation fail to produce a path to citizenship.

With 3.5 million noncitizens who are legal permanent residents in California, some view the changes as an acknowledgment of who is living here and the need to require some public service of them. But the new laws raise profound questions about which rights and responsibilities rightly belong to citizens over residents.

“What is more basic to our society than being able to judge your fellow citizens?” asked Jessica A. Levinson, a professor at Loyola Law School, referring to jury service. “We’re absolutely going to the bedrock of things here and stretching what we used to think of as limits.”

One new state law allows legal permanent residents to monitor polls during elections, help translate instructions and offer other assistance to voting citizens. And immigrants who were brought into the country illegally by their parents will be able to practice law here, something no other states allow.

In many ways, the new measures underscore the lock Democrats have over the State Capitol, where they hold an overwhelming majority in both houses. Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, signed the poll worker legislation this month and has indicated his approval of the other bills.Many of the changes, including granting drivers’ licenses to unauthorized immigrants, passed with overwhelming support and the backing of several Republicans.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; ethniccleansing; fallofrome; immigration; invasion; mexico

1 posted on 09/21/2013 1:41:20 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

There is a serious problem when the non-citizens from a neighboring nation have propagandized for a century-and-a-half that they are the lawful owners of nearly half the United States.

There is a reason it is called “Reconquesta”, or reconquest.


2 posted on 09/21/2013 1:45:11 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
and, at they same time, they are attempting to outlaw lead bullets and, with that, hunting.
3 posted on 09/21/2013 1:49:10 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Can we expose the CA officials to foreign law?


4 posted on 09/21/2013 2:25:07 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
A perfect example of why CA , in spite of having huge oil, gas, timber and agricultural resources is teetering on bankruptcy. There's nothing wrong with CA that isn't in some way caused by loopy leftists.

When CA comes to the Fed asking for a bailout, as a country, the rest of us should tell them to pound sand.

5 posted on 09/21/2013 2:31:47 AM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Brad from Tennessee

In the meantime, native Californians like myself are looking for a way to leave the state.


6 posted on 09/21/2013 2:38:09 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Seal California off at the border.


7 posted on 09/21/2013 2:38:45 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Bullish

While I’m not a native (arrived in 1967 @ 20 years old), I’m giving it some very serious consideration as well. Nevada’s looking better every day.


8 posted on 09/21/2013 3:07:57 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Brad from Tennessee

LaRaza “infiltration” at the highest levels.....


9 posted on 09/21/2013 3:08:41 AM PDT by high info voter
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Non-citizens have plenty of rights already.

They have the right to remain silent.
Anything they say can and will be used against them in a court of law.
They have the right to be speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning.
If they cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for them at government expense.
They should also have a right to be fingerprinted, DNA swabbed, and permanently barred from any path to legal re-entry or citizenship, and to a free trip home after an extended stay in Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s tent city.


10 posted on 09/21/2013 3:22:43 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

passed with overwhelming support and the backing of several Republicans

Several what? I doubt they are Republicans other than perhaps in name only.


11 posted on 09/21/2013 3:26:35 AM PDT by wita
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To: SatinDoll
The rat/labor union complex that destroyed Detroit is working its evil in CA, IL and other states.

From my earliest days, I believed America and American citizenship were precious jewels of inestimable value.

As recent data from the US SecState show, an increasing number of Americans are leaving. Rather than a treasure, they've determined American citizenship to be a burden.

Not that I'm telling you anything you don't know, but rhetorically, no republic can survive when a majority of its politicians work to destroy the very structure of society.

12 posted on 09/21/2013 3:26:42 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention of the states is our only hope.)
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To: Bullish
In the meantime, native Californians like myself are looking for a way to leave the state.

You mean, like me? I I went to the Social Security office in Northern California, and I thought I was in a foreign country. It was almost like they spoke every language on earth, except English. I am leaving the state by November.

13 posted on 09/21/2013 3:43:43 AM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

As far as I can tell being a Citizen of the Peoples Republic of California is all pain, no gain.


14 posted on 09/21/2013 4:16:57 AM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT

Yes indeed. Worst.management.ever


15 posted on 09/21/2013 4:18:45 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Brad from Tennessee

An illegal immigrant lawyer will represent an illegal immigrant in CA courts...wow that’s respecting the law!


16 posted on 09/21/2013 6:02:25 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Brad from Tennessee

...when are they going to let these people exercise their right to hold public office?


17 posted on 09/21/2013 6:10:08 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“In many ways, the new measures underscore the lock Democrats have over the State Capitol, where they hold an overwhelming majority in both houses.”

Never before has a state legislature endeavored so hard to work for the benefit of foreign nationals at the detriment of that state’s citizens.


18 posted on 09/21/2013 6:13:06 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: Brad from Tennessee

letting an illegal (who we KNOW is breaking the law) sit in judgement of a citizen to decide if they are breaking the law - Insanity


19 posted on 09/21/2013 6:19:14 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: high info voter

LaRaza “infiltration” at the highest levels.....

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I wonder who is going to hand over the mansions of the wealthy leftists to the illegals. After all, they need a place to stay.


20 posted on 09/21/2013 6:28:23 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

If only Congress could defund Calif..


21 posted on 09/21/2013 6:36:52 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: SatinDoll
The next step? These legal-illegal lawyers will be allowed to...wait for it...BECOME JUDGES.
22 posted on 09/21/2013 6:44:14 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

California should just declare that it is now a northern province of Mexico. NORTE CALIFORNIA. Welcome back to Mexico.


23 posted on 09/21/2013 7:03:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: artichokegrower

“Never before has a state legislature endeavored so hard to work for the benefit of foreign nationals at the detriment of that state’s citizens.”

All dying states are doing it (NJ is doing the same). When you strangle industry/enterprise, then you are left with the permanent underclass when taxpayers and companies flee. Since the underclass doesn’t breed enough, they have to import people to keep homes occupied and classrooms full. That really is what “sanctuary” boils down to.


24 posted on 09/21/2013 9:05:35 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (The talking heads have admitted is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: artichokegrower
Never before has a state legislature endeavored so hard to work for the benefit of foreign nationals at the detriment of that state’s citizens.

If you don't like it now, just hang around, it will get a lot worse, before it gets better.

25 posted on 09/21/2013 10:40:06 AM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: Mark17

Why is our political class actively working to drive out Americans with foreigners from 3rd world countries? I suspect it’s because peons become dependent and are easy to control.


26 posted on 09/21/2013 10:54:58 AM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Citizenship no longer has any meaning. And that is the way the left wants it. Government by mob rule.


27 posted on 09/21/2013 11:35:49 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wow the Nazis and Japs had it all wrong. All they had to do was wait about 30 - 40 years and just waltz right over the border and take over the US state by state! And incredibly the Democrat party would have helped them every step of the way!


28 posted on 09/21/2013 3:29:14 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: Bullish
Why is our political class actively working to drive out Americans with foreigners from 3rd world countries? I suspect it’s because peons become dependent and are easy to control.

Well, maybe that is a factor. I think it is because America hating, left wing liberal, socialist, pinko commie geek MFers are deliberately trying to destroy American culture, and they know this is a good way to do it.

29 posted on 09/21/2013 5:41:11 PM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Calif should become their own country.They are doing everything they can to be catering to illegals as the list gets bigger and bigger. Mexico must be very pleased as they impose their will unto Calif as Calif submits to Mexico conquest


30 posted on 09/22/2013 8:42:31 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: SatinDoll; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy

I’d say give it back to Mexico along with DIFI and Boxer, but sadly that’s not what they want.


31 posted on 09/23/2013 12:00:27 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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