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Firing at Man in Times Square, Police Wound Two Bystanders
New York Slimes ^ | September 15, 2013 | MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ and JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN

Posted on 09/15/2013 6:00:42 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh

Confronted by an agitated man who at one point lay down in the middle of a crowded intersection in Times Square, two police officers fired shots late Saturday evening at the man, striking two bystanders instead, the police said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; leo; newyork; nyc; shooting
At one point, Mr. Kelly said, the man put his hand in his pants. He then withdrew it and mimicked shooting at police officers, Mr. Kelly said, though his hand was empty. That is when the two officers opened fire.
1 posted on 09/15/2013 6:00:42 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Malone LaVeigh

After what Bloomberg tried to pull in Colorado, the NRA should step in here and offer free matksmanship training to the NY PD.

They should point out how much Bloomberg spent in Colorado while his own police department lacks marksmanship skills and can’t even shoot straight.


2 posted on 09/15/2013 6:04:08 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Attempted Suicide by Police? Or just plain crazy high on drugs?

A Horribly written article.


3 posted on 09/15/2013 6:09:39 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Stupid criminal, stupid police and stupid writer. Par for NYC.


4 posted on 09/15/2013 6:12:11 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Armed with a “hand” gun.


5 posted on 09/15/2013 6:14:39 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Related from 9/14:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3066945/posts


6 posted on 09/15/2013 6:16:08 AM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: Iron Munro

Unless there’s a massacre in progress,opening fire in Times Square is sheer lunacy. The density of civilians milling around at any given time would make hitting bystanders a certainty.


7 posted on 09/15/2013 6:19:06 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Iron Munro

Remember when London bobbies did not carry guns? That’s how it ought to be in America. We must fundamentally transform our country to be more European, or we’re not broadminded and cool </sarc off>


8 posted on 09/15/2013 6:20:00 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: Iron Munro

Excellent.


9 posted on 09/15/2013 6:22:23 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Note to self: Do not take a tourist trip to NYC any time soon.


10 posted on 09/15/2013 6:24:50 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: duckworth
Remember when London bobbies did not carry guns? That’s how it ought to be in America.
We must fundamentally transform our country to be more European, or we’re not broadminded and cool

Maybe they should carry "TIME OUT" cards to pass out.

On the other side of the card they could put a coupon for a free donut.


11 posted on 09/15/2013 6:24:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Regular ol folks would be arrested for firing a weapon in or around a crowd with lil concern for backstops.

So...what about the good ol taser they've all fallen in love with? How’z bout the age old backup...pepper spray? Even more age old night stick?

Protect and serve?

12 posted on 09/15/2013 6:26:11 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

My Daddy taught me when I was 12 not to shoot if something was in the background that I shouldn’t be shooting at. I taught that to my son and he is teaching it to his daughter.

Yet the Government wants to arm police with machine guns and tanks,and leave me without a weapon.


13 posted on 09/15/2013 6:35:34 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Unless there’s a massacre in progress,opening fire in Times Square is sheer lunacy. The density of civilians milling around at any given time would make hitting bystanders a certainty.

Agreed.

Shows their lack of situational awareness as well as their poor marksmanship.

This might help explain why NY Liberals have such a fear of guns - they rarely, if ever, see them used in a responsible way.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 6:42:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: duckworth

“</sarc off>”

Damn, I’m glad you added that.


15 posted on 09/15/2013 6:43:05 AM PDT by Rannug
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Remember the last time the NYPD went on a shooting spree and wounded a whole bunch of people?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html

It sounds like they need to issue their cops billy clubs.


16 posted on 09/15/2013 6:46:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

1. All cops to only carry revolvers.

2. Junior members; birdshot first FOUR cylinders.

3. After five years and many test birdshot first TWO cylinders. Note: Five years training to be a plumber!

4. Senior Officers birdshot first FOUR cylinders.

///////NOTE WELL: A shattered tibia and fibula is a near death experience.////////


17 posted on 09/15/2013 6:47:18 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: Malone LaVeigh
This sounded like a job for our old friend mr. taser. Mr. handgun should not have been woken from his nice comfy holster.

CC

18 posted on 09/15/2013 7:04:33 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Venturer

Venturer.....I want you on my team!

On a side note. When the swat team shot to death that 107yr old man, they reported that before entry, swat members deployed a distraction device.

Even the media won’t report this as a flash bang GRENADE.

Besides, couldn’t they just hold out till 8:30pm, surely he’d been getting close to bedtime.

Here is a news report down here in Montgomery co. Texas. Look at the officers standing behind the newly deployed surveillance drone in our county. Notice the armored vehicle, advanced kevlar, automatic weapons, grenades.

This looks like military to me.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/06/states-propose-limiting-use-drones-by-police/


19 posted on 09/15/2013 7:53:44 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Malone LaVeigh

About 2 weeks ago I had a conversation with a family member as to why I would not go back to NYC for any reason. I gave two main reasons. One was arbitrary street violence from what I diplomatically call “Obama’s sons”, and lo and behold, a man was killed just last week from just such a mindless, violent incident.

The other reason I gave was that I didn’t want to be in the crossfire from increasingly trigger-happy cops, as in the Empire State Building incident not long ago.

That family member is probably wondering how I knew, after these two incidents immediately follow in the headline news. I’ve been wondering how they can’t see it, it’s so obvious to me - “get the hell out of the cities before they go completely feral” is one of the easier conclusions I’ve been able to come to over the years.


20 posted on 09/15/2013 8:06:53 AM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: Iron Munro

Cops are the worst shots in the universe. At our gun range the only accidental discharges are always cops. Everytime Mr. GG2 shoots they all converge on his target wanting to know what agency he’s with. They all think he’s FBI. Its hysterical. Sad but hysterical.


21 posted on 09/15/2013 8:10:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

They should load no more than 7 rounds in their 10 round magazines.


22 posted on 09/15/2013 8:15:48 AM PDT by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

23 posted on 09/15/2013 8:17:17 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Cops are the worst shots in the universe. At our gun range the only accidental discharges are always cops. Everytime Mr. GG2 shoots they all converge on his target wanting to know what agency he’s with. They all think he’s FBI. Its hysterical. Sad but hysterical.

When I was a kid we used to idolize cops - we thought they were all like Dick Tracy and Eliot Ness.

My best friend's dad was a Sheriff's deputy and also taught the local youth NRA program. Plus he was a Boy Scout leader, a crack shot and one of the best hunters I have ever met.

We were fortunate to have men like that as role models.

If we had known cops like the two in this story we wouldn't have been able to sleep at night.


24 posted on 09/15/2013 8:26:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: servantboy777

Do not think for one minute that these officers will not obey Obama when he tells them to confiscate your guns. Most of these SWAT team members are gun nuts themselves who get all fired up on adrenaline when they get to wear their wannabee military gear.

My comment was meant in the context, that a frightened person will kill you, Police Officer or not. We never know the courage of any one officer until that courage is tested. It is that courage that separates a great cop, from a frightened one who shoots before necessary. In the case of this article IMO the Officer was tested and found lacking.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 8:50:26 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

the account sounds like an attempt at “suicide by police-fire” - a person wanting the police to shoot them


26 posted on 09/15/2013 9:11:18 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Venturer
>>separates a great cop, from a frightened one who shoots before necessary<<

Very few times it is necessary for an officer to shoot an unarmed man or a man with a club or knife.

There are so many non-lethal weapons that can instantly bring down a person and make’em scream and cry for mama.

Cops do not even need to get close to a person. Pepper spray canisters with twenty five foot range, gas canisters for confined spaces, bean bag shotgun rounds, tasers.

I realize there are situations where it is necessary to use your weapon and folks get killed. You should not run or attempt to resist arrest...at all. When a cop tells you to drop whatever you have, you should do it.

With that said, cops have so many options and should not take a life unless it's absolutely necessary to save a life. When a person's on the ground, handcuffed, cops should not pile on top and pummel them or kick them regardless of what they've done.

This is the type of stuff we see out of third world countries or the Soviet Union.

27 posted on 09/15/2013 9:50:45 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Iron Munro

“My best friend’s dad was a Sheriff’s deputy and also taught the local youth NRA program. Plus he was a Boy Scout leader, a crack shot and one of the best hunters I have ever met”

Yes Mr. GG2’s dad was a sheriff’s deputy and a good one.


28 posted on 09/15/2013 9:53:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Cops are the worst shots in the universe.

The owner of a range I used to frequent years ago allowed the local police to shoot there for free. I couldn't believe how bad most of them were. I saw entire 15 round magazines emptied while barely hitting paper.

29 posted on 09/15/2013 10:27:48 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Yes Mr. GG2’s dad was a sheriff’s deputy and a good one.

Takes me back to a better time.

When we kids saw a Sheriff or cop walk into the local coffee shop we would congregate by him and hope he would notice us so we could ask questions.
Mostly about his patrol car or pistol.

Most of the youth today run in the other direction.


30 posted on 09/15/2013 10:34:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The average cop, highway patrol, FBI agent, is only slightly below the average of the populace at large when it comes to handling a handgun. If they are shooting enthusiasts, they can shoot, if not, they are about on a par with my 10 year old grandson, who is a pretty fair shooter.


31 posted on 09/15/2013 1:15:27 PM PDT by nobamanomore
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