[Nowhere Man]

Yeah... my son watched his dad give up sick days etc... all for the factory he worked at for 27 years get sent to Brazil and we aren’t even a union state.

I think that is a big factor in all of this. I've seen it here in spade here in the Pittsburgh area a generation ago. One of my closest friends grew up in Alliance, Ohio and he saw his father lose his job when they shipped the factory overseas. I also know a mechanic who worked at a factory, when the plant and equipment was being sold, he was told to show the foreigners how to run the machines. He was on lunch break at the time he was told and his exact reply was, "you want me to teach some 'g--k' how to do my job and then you'll put my out of work? Goodbye...." Then he got in his car and left. My friend and the mechanic are in my age range.

[redgolum]

That is what most don't want to face.

We are a much poorer nation in real terms than any time in the last 100 years. We are losing production to overseas, and those jobs are not going to be replaced with anything.

We are going to make France and Spain look like full employment areas soon. Seems like we as people forgot that you can't have a service economy and have real wealth.