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Paying More For Fast Food, Retail Jobs Will Boost U.S. Economy (He's serious)
Forbes ^ | September 2, 2013 | John Wasik

Posted on 09/02/2013 5:42:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As a former fast-food worker, I can attest to the crazy hours, poor working conditions and rotten pay.

I boiled chicken — and repeatedly burned my forearms — in hot pressure cookers in high school for Colonel Sanders’s KFC (now owned by YUM Brands) until I could get a higher-paying job in a department store.

The unionized retail clerk’s job wasn’t glamorous, either, but it was a big step up: I sold sporting goods, rang a register (calculating change in my head) and hand-drilled bowling balls.

Although the pioneering retail chain (E.J. Korvette’s) at the time was dying a slow death as Wal-Mart, K Mart and other mega-discount stores gained market share, it paid most of my way through the University of Illinois-Chicago in a time when one could do this (late 1970s).

Wages haven’t gotten much better relative to inflation in 30 years. They need to, and the myth that higher, low-end wages will hurt the economy is a slander against our economic future. Living wages are needed to support families, communities, schools and our larger economy.

President Kennedy’s phrase “a rising tide lifts all boats” has some currency in economics. Increased wages create what economist John Maynard Keynes called higher “aggregate demand.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; economy; fastfood; food; layoffs; minimumwage; workforce
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Wal-Mart wasn't even a factor in the 1970's, IIRC.
1 posted on 09/02/2013 5:42:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fast Food is the quintessential disposable expense.


2 posted on 09/02/2013 5:43:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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President Kennedy’s phrase “a rising tide lifts all boats” has some currency in economics.

And Kennedy achieved that through -- tax cuts, right? Just like Coolidge did, and Reagan did, right?

And how is Obama's war against business working out for y'all?

3 posted on 09/02/2013 5:46:04 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never bothered to attend a technical school, college, or do construction? You stick with a job a chimp can do and scream about low wages? Cry me a river, A=Hole.


4 posted on 09/02/2013 5:46:26 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

276 stores in 1980, 10,000 now.


5 posted on 09/02/2013 5:46:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

UIC apparently didn’t offer any survey level econ courses when this meathead whiner attended ?


6 posted on 09/02/2013 5:50:38 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The lack of understanding of basic economics is astounding.

Raise the minimum wage of the fast food workers means wages for all minimum wage jobs rise too... including all the minimum wages jobs involved in the production, processing, packaging and transportation of that food to the fast food restaurant. Not to mention ALL minimum wage jobs that aren't even related to the fast food industry. Not to mention that union wages will rise also as they're contractually connected to rise if the minimum wage rises.

And the higher cost of employing those now-higher paid people WILL BE PASSED ON to the cost of everything. So your paycheck will be bigger but the cost of everything will rise proportionally. Which means you have gained nothing. Except maybe a stint in the unemployment line because employers will drop some of those now-expensive employees.

7 posted on 09/02/2013 5:51:58 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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Eight Types Of Food You Love, Now Made By Robots
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3057376/posts

and they’re outsourcing the drive-thru line:

Fast-food industry tests outsourcing
http://www.blog.infinit-o.com/fast-food-industry-tests-outsourcing/


8 posted on 09/02/2013 5:52:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Lizavetta

In some ways, I feel sorry for the people. This rotten economy does not allow low-skill workers to move upward into expanding businesses that would be willing to take experienced workers and train them for a career in a better paying job.


9 posted on 09/02/2013 5:55:34 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is the broken window fallacy so hard for people to understand?

If we pay more for something, we have less to spend on something else. Paying more for fast food to pay wages to workers means someone somewhere else is earning less.

Everybody’s income is somebody else’s cost.

It is the market mechanism of supply and demand that balances all of these costs and incomes to achieve the maximum achievable level of overall prosperity.

Anything else is just political smoke and mirrors, inevitably distorting actual real measurable values and leading to lower levels of general prosperity.

The truth of the foregoing has been proven consistently throughout human history, and is especially observable in the 20th and 21st century as Progressivism achieved widespread acceptance in the world and, sadly, in America.

It is unbelievable to me that so many people are blind to observable reality.


10 posted on 09/02/2013 5:56:14 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

John Maynard Keynes? Isn’t he the utterly discredited English wishful thinker?


11 posted on 09/02/2013 5:56:21 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Lizavetta
The lack of understanding of basic economics is astounding.

Every fast-food restaurant would close. How would that help the economy?

I don't think it would go over well with the EBT crowd, either.

12 posted on 09/02/2013 5:58:12 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Perdogg
I agree, I really feel bad for them as they pretty much have no place to go. And so many have produced families to support way before they're able to do so.

And courtesy of Odouchebag their hours are being cut. It's very depressing to watch what's going on around us.

13 posted on 09/02/2013 5:59:24 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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14 posted on 09/02/2013 6:01:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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if they double the minimum wage then they immediately double the income taxes received and as it trickles up doubles revenue to the government

This will make the 16Trillion in debt seem only like 8 trillion.

Imagine if you buy a house for 100K today and you earn 50K per year. If inflation makes your income double or triple your house payment stays the same but your income goes up.

They are going to inflate away our debt. sux for anyone holding the bag


15 posted on 09/02/2013 6:09:35 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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This guy is an idiot. Does he really believe this foolishness, or is he just trying to score debating points? This isn't the coffee shop in the student union anymore, this is real policy.

Does he really think minimum wage needs to grow relative to inflation? Is he that naive about economics? Here's a simple thought experiment, so simple even a liberal can do it. If some is good, more is better, right? So why merely push the minimum wage to 15 an hour? Why not 45, heck, 150? Let's give those teens some real buying power, then you'll see the economy take off!

Why don't they advocate for that, don't those libs care about the kids? They don't because they are smart enough (barely) to know that such a salary for minimum wage is ridiculous. What they refuse to see is that 15 is just as outrageous, differing only marginally in degree. Minimum wage jobs are just that, a minimal employment level. They are not supposed to be a career choice. You're not supposed to be able to afford all the things you might want while working a minimum wage job. They get you by, and motivate you to do and find something better.

16 posted on 09/02/2013 6:10:27 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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http://www.psfk.com/2012/11/burger-making-robot.html

San Francisco-based robotics startup, Momentum Machines aims to revolutionize the fast food industry with an automated burger machine. While preparing for the launch of their new restaurant chain, they don’t have to worry about potential chefs because they plan to start the world’s first “smart restaurant” chain where all cooking is done entirely by robots. The company proudly boasts on its product page: “Our alpha machine replaces all of the hamburger line cooks in a restaurant. It does everything employees can do except better.”


17 posted on 09/02/2013 6:13:50 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: Mr. K
if they double the minimum wage then they immediately double the income taxes received

This is a deeply flawed statement.

First, almost nobody working for min wage pays income taxes unless they have a spouse who is making good money.

The top 10% of earners paid 71% of all income taxes.

Doubling the minimum wage would not have a significant effect on the deficit.

18 posted on 09/02/2013 6:15:08 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: ClearCase_guy
And Kennedy achieved that [economic stimulation] through -- tax cuts, right?

Technically, Kennedy was dead. It was LBJ, for some strange reason, that pushed them through.

He must have benefited more than anybody else, otherwise that sleaze wouldn't have done it just to help the country.

19 posted on 09/02/2013 6:19:05 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Lizavetta

Not to mention that unemployment will grow because many fast food stores will go out of business since they will no longer make a profit with high-paid, employees.


20 posted on 09/02/2013 6:26:59 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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