Posted on 08/31/2013 3:41:55 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
Editor,
I had to laugh when I read the letter of Aug. 28, “GOP full of racist ‘fuddy-duddies.” As with most of my well-meaning friends who are Democrats, facts and reason do not seem part of their decision-making process but rather emotion and the idea that everything should be equal and fair regardless of the amount of effort an individual puts into things.
In regards to the GOP being racist, a Navy chief pointed out the following:
1) It was the Democratic Party that supported slavery and the Confederacy.
Lincoln was a Republican and it was Lincoln who freed the slaves. During the Lincoln-Douglas debates it was Lincoln who called for the end of slavery and it was Douglas who wanted it to continue.
2) The KKK was founded as a militant arm of the Democratic Party.
3) The 14th Amendment was pushed through over the objections of the Democratic Party.
4) The Civil Rights Act was pushed through Congress by the Republican Party. The Democrats tried to filibuster it. The filibuster was lead by Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr.
(Excerpt) Read more at standard.net ...
Neither statement is precisely correct.
The two men were 100% in agreement that slavery within a state was the business of that state alone. Lincoln considered slavery to be a moral wrong, but Douglas was indifferent to it.
Lincoln did not call for the immediate abolition of slavery, he called for restriction of its spread, in the calm confidence that it would eventually come to a natural end if contained. Kind of a Cold War against slavery of the 1800s.
Meanwhile, Douglas did not necessarily want slavery to continue, he just didn't care. Or claimed not to.
This attempt by Douglas to straddle the issue was an attempt to cobble together a coalition of southerners and northern anti-abolitionists. As contrasted to Lincoln's attempt to assemble a coalition of abolitionists and those opposed to the spread of slavery. Lincoln's coalition grew, that of Douglas disintegrated.
Yes, but the replies to be expected will all claim that the parties “switched sides” in the ‘60s. Now republicans are responsible for the evils of democrats past.
From: http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/DYK-HistoryTest
1. What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery?
2. What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today?
3. What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote?
4. What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?
5. What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP?
6. What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation?
7. What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s?
8. What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables?
9. What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper?
10. What Party fought to keep blacks in slavery and was the Party of the Ku Klux Klan?
11. What Party from 1870 to 1930 used fraud, whippings, lynching, murder, intimidation, and mutilation to get the black vote, and passed the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws which legalized racial discrimination and denied blacks their rights as citizens?
12. What was the Party of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and President Harry Truman who rejected anti-lynching laws and efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission?
13. What was the Party of President Lyndon Johnson, who called Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “that [N-word] preacher” because he opposed the Viet Nam War; and President John F. Kennedy who voted against the 1957 Civil Rights law as a Senator, then as president opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. after becoming president and the FBI investigate Dr. King on suspicion of being a communist?
14. What is the Party of the late Senators Robert Byrd who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, Ernest “Fritz” Hollings who hoisted the Confederate flag over the state capitol in South Carolina while governor, and Ted Kennedy who called black judicial nominees “Neanderthals” while blocking their appointments?
15. What was the Party of President Bill Clinton who failed to fight the terrorists after the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, sent troops to war in Bosnia and Kosovo without Congressional approval, vetoed the Welfare Reform law twice before signing it, and refused to comply with a court order to have shipping companies develop an Affirmative Action Plan?
16. What is the Party of Vice President Al Gore whose father voted against the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960’s, and who lost the 2000 election as confirmed by a second recount of Florida votes by the “Miami Herald” and a consortium of major news organizations and the ruling by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that blacks were not denied the right to vote?
17. What Party is against school vouchers, against school prayers, and takes the black vote for granted without ever acknowledging their racist past or apologizing for trying to expand slavery, lynching blacks and passing the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws that caused great harm to blacks?
Lincoln’s coalition grew, that of Douglas disintegrated.
...apparently, Douglas’ coalition broke for Breckenridge, big time (72 EV’s to 12)...in a normal two man race, Douglas wins the election easily...
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Nope. I've researched this. If every anti-Lincoln vote had gone to Douglas, he would have won the popular vote by a huge margin. But Lincoln would have still won the Electoral College and the presidency.
Therefore, the Republican coalition grew, that of the Democrats disintegrated. The Democrats were evil then and more evil now.
It’s very difficult to realize what most of us believe isn’t the truth.
"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." ~
Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One
A large percent of African Americans are living today in much more deadly Democratic Party imposed Segregation 2.0 today. Ghettos walled off not by red necks, but by destroyed families, multi-generational dependency and death. LBJ’s cynical ploy results in blacks being the victims and perpetrators of over half the murders in the U.S. when they represent only about 12% of the population.
Do you think my rhetoric is over blown? In 2011 there were 12,664 murders and 6,329 of the victims were black (and yes almost all blacks were murdered by other blacks). But from 1882 to 1968, 3,446 African Americans were lynched.
God, family, community, work and real liberal politics will but an end to the wasted lives. If you care about African American, urge them to abandon the Democrats.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expanded-homicide-data
This is interesting; please elaborate.
If every anti-Lincoln vote had gone to Douglas, he would have won the popular vote by a huge margin. But Lincoln would have still won the Electoral College and the presidency...
...the resulting popular vote discrepancy would have been over 950,000...20% of the total vote cast...constitutional crisis almost certainly would have ensued, and rightly so...
Excellent!
Here’s link to election results by state in 1860.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showelection.php?year=1860
By my count, Lincoln won absolute majorities in CT, IL, IN, IA, ME, MA, MI, MN, NH, NY, OH, PA, RI, VT, and WI. In some of them it was pretty close, though. This gave him 169 electoral votes.
Since 152 EC votes were needed, Lincoln won even if all his opponents had joined behind a single candidate.
Again, as with Sherman Logan, please elaborate.
Popular vote discrepancy would have been even greater, putting Lincoln well under 40%, except that SC didn’t have a popular vote, since the state legislature appointed the electors.
Who knows what would have happened? Maybe in frustration enough states would have rallied behind the "moderate," Bell.
except that SC didn’t have a popular vote, since the state legislature appointed the electors...
...the electoral college in all its antiquated glory...
Again, as with Sherman Logan, please elaborate...
...please look at the link he posted...it is elaborate enough...
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