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Desert Tortoise Conservation Center to euthanize hundreds of the tortoises ( endangered species )
WaPo ^ | August 25, 2013

Posted on 08/29/2013 1:10:59 PM PDT by george76

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To: Valpal1
That is what they should do.

As the casinos don't have an interest in it though that isn't what they are planning to do.

21 posted on 08/29/2013 1:44:35 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: george76

Why don’t we reduce welfare so-called “benefits” for the looter class and save the tortoises? The tortoises are at least kind of... well, not cute, exactly, but not downright ugly, right?


22 posted on 08/29/2013 1:52:17 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: jazusamo; george76
I've talked to some tortoise people before and from what I understand, they don't like to release captive tortoises back into the wild because some captive tortoises carry a pulmonary disease that may infect wild populations. But that's in California. Arizona doesn't seem to worry as much about the pulmonary problems. And as for Nevada, I know for a fact that captive tortoises are often released near Pahrump and Sandy Valley. Why there? I don't know, but I regularly see tortoises there every year.

As for this euthanasia proposal, I've never heard of such gall. These extortionists disgust me. But it's so typical.

23 posted on 08/29/2013 2:01:51 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: george76
They are everywhere. Interesting that the OP shows the "habitat" but not the animal itself...


24 posted on 08/29/2013 2:03:47 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Seeing that a tortoise isn’t a horse and doesn’t even eat for 5 months out of the year, more people might be inclined to own one.

What do you care anyway?


25 posted on 08/29/2013 2:11:28 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Flycatcher

Thanks for that info. Don’t understand why the different policies between the states but they may not either:)

It is hard to understand the whole euthanasia thing after all the years disruption that’s been caused.


26 posted on 08/29/2013 2:13:25 PM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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To: Gen.Blather

It can be done.

This problem exposes the communist structure of the environmental laws.

Bureaucrat created law trumping common sense and the will of the people.


27 posted on 08/29/2013 2:15:34 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: RC one

Cue the National Lampoon “Buy this magazine or we’ll shoot this dog” cover.

Or one of PBS’s “Cut our funding by a single cent and we’ll cancel Sesame Street” press releases.


28 posted on 08/29/2013 2:20:21 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: jazusamo
The Colorado River forms a natural barrier to infected tortoise migration. Since most of the pulmonary problems occur in Cal tortoises, Arizona doesn't seem to have the zero-tolerance mentality of their Cal counterparts. Or so I've experienced. Both states, though, don't want you releasing captive tortoises back into the wild. They encourage adoption.

Now why this sanctuary in Nevada is not encouraging adoption is baffling. I don't get it.

29 posted on 08/29/2013 2:23:00 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“Bureaucrat created law trumping common sense and the will of the people.”

I was interviewing (for an artcle) the president of what was then the fifth largest home builder in the country. He said that if they discovered an eagle’s nest all work had to stop. He was spending half a million a week and an eagle’s nest on his several hundred acre development it would cause him to go bankrupt. He could figure when to the day. That would cost not only his multi-generation company but 500 direct jobs and thousands of indirect jobs. So, (and he said he’d never done this) over a weekend somebody would cut down the tree and kill the eagle and he’d pay the (I think) $15,000 fine. It was either that or go bankrupt. He called the environmental laws “well intentioned insanity.”


30 posted on 08/29/2013 2:23:38 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: george76
Don't you people undstand that the GovernMental EnvironMental Comyoonutty had already decared these critters EXTINCT!!! (of course the govermint can't release them because then folks will find out THEY'RE STILL ALIVE!!!)

The reason they were endangered is that their preditors, the Bald Eagles and the Condors were eating all the tortoises while they were under the protection of the govermint due to them being threatened by DDT!!!

Meanwhile, multi-millions of tax dollars and uncountable losses in business dollars have suffered through exercices in futility called MITIGATION!!! (enforced on legitimate business losing the "War On The WEST!")

Cain't you guys rememmer any of this stuff suffocating both naychur and our economy? Of course you can!!!

Thanks for posting this artickle Mr. George76, thank you very much.

31 posted on 08/29/2013 4:15:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
S#$T.....don't get me started on "wild horses".

I know at least three large ranches making money on warehousing "wild horses"....It's a joke. I don't blame the ranches....I blame our STUPID FED'S....!!

We are totally stupid to let this happen..

32 posted on 08/29/2013 4:22:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Osage Orange

Back in the day, some desert homesteaders rescued the tortoises on their own.

Then that was made illegal.


33 posted on 08/29/2013 4:28:25 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Gen.Blather

These laws are not ‘well intentioned’.

They are the outcome of the desire by certain forces working within our country to outlaw private property by individual citizens, as well as freedom to make decisions about your property and then do them.

The environmental movement- or green movement- is the child of nazi socialism. I say this because the nazi party in germany, in the late 1960’s changed their name from the nazi party to the green party because the word nazi was so off-putting to people.

But, no matter how you apply the lipstick, a pig is still a pig.

Please remember, our ancestors realized property is power, and owning property can give you wealth and standing in the community. That is why so many Americans settled Texas and the West— to own property.

It is the reason private property is the enemy of the environmental socialists. It is why so much of the country is now under control of local, state or federal governments— all the greenbelts, parks you can’t get to because the roads are closed, beaches where humans are banned from setting foot, and blm lands that are being set up as national monuments to keep private individuals from ranching, mining, fishing or logging them.


34 posted on 08/29/2013 4:36:27 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

“It is the reason private property is the enemy of the environmental socialists. It is why so much of the country is now under control of local, state or federal governments— all the greenbelts, parks you can’t get to because the roads are closed, beaches where humans are banned from setting foot, and blm lands that are being set up as national monuments to keep private individuals from ranching, mining, fishing or logging them.”

I’m hoping the pendulum will fall the other way and all this goes away. The county to the south of me is 95% government land. It hasn’t advanced economically in decades. If the land was open it would be a gold mine.


35 posted on 08/29/2013 4:43:07 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yep....

I remember..............


36 posted on 08/29/2013 6:24:21 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: george76

Soylent Green is Desert Tortoise ! It’s Desert Tortoise !


37 posted on 08/30/2013 5:43:08 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: jazusamo

IIRC, the Vegas to Barstow race was shut down over these critters.


38 posted on 08/30/2013 5:47:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: george76

It’s not difficult to understand why the government would simply kill them all rather than release them or adopt them out. It’s a straightforward hostage situation:

“Restore our funding through other means, or we’ll kill the hostages.”

They’ll probably start by killing them a few at a time to see if new funding appears.


39 posted on 08/30/2013 5:53:31 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Uncle Miltie: Obama poisoned race relations for a generation. Everything is racial now.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes, I believe the tortoise ended the off road races. It was also responsible for delaying the expansion of the Ft. Irwin National Training Center outside Barstow for years.


40 posted on 08/30/2013 8:27:53 AM PDT by jazusamo ("I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white." T. Sowell)
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