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Posted on 08/27/2013 8:44:44 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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Hungry people are not going to fear just a show of force...
The point of my post was that the state would not need to pay anyone, because food is a big motivator, C-Rations or their modern counterparts would be the coin of the realm.
I have warned as far back as Clinton, this day was coming and that the military would follow orders, just like they always do. The notion that they would not fire on civilians is wishful thinking.
People living in the large cities, NY, LA or Chicago will indeed be in deep dodo.
Wishful thinking.
Maybe, maybe not. But what most never stop to consider is that most of the people on our side have the shills to rebuild it large or local scale.
Those same people have survival skills and or will be protected by those who do...
While the vast majority of America just sits and dies from disease/starvation/is sold into slavery by ferals...who also die as above and are hunted down like dogs by the rest of us.
That leaves a whole lot of untouched hardware/non perishables out there for our team to collect. God knows libs wont do anything with it. They can’t. They will be dead/starved/diseased/enslaved. And ferals sure can’t do squat. They don’t even know what 90 percent of things in existence are.
I think store looting will turn to general mayhem, violence and destruction so fast (2-3 days max) that all of the govt plans will be swept aside like Inspector Clouseau standing in front of a tsunami blowing a police whistle.
Read the personal accounts of the survivors in the NOLA Superdome, or some of the NOLA hospitals, and then don’t rescue them after a few days, and extend that horror across the entire nation.
All the king’s horses and all the king’s men won’t be a wet match in a hurricane.
And there might be a big nuke problem too. I left that possibility open with the discussion of getting around the DOE Savannah River sites, and what might have happened there and the other 100-odd nuke plants around the country.
It’s up for debate, but many believe they would go Fukushima if left on their own for 3 years.
Very possible. On another thread I commented that your Babylon story was a real life Fsllout video game scenario.
If you throw the meltdowns in, the result is the same. Dead zones. It won’t be pretty.
On whose part - yours or mine?
I just wanted to put forth some cultural decay ideas, as well as the idea that electricity has become the air we breath, without us fully understanding the implications of that. Put a person in a closed room for long enough, and they understand they’ll die of oxygen starvation. The same person does not have any idea how critical electricity is to our survival today. If we lost power for even a week, our cities would utterly explode. Just connect the social, economic etc trend lines out in the future a bit.
Remember.......short, controlled bursts.
Yup. Just as you said in your story, that ‘Just in time’ existence adopted by business ensures rapid failure of everything.
I once joked that libs would say ‘no biggie, I’ll just call out for pizza until the lights come back on”, but when you really think about it, most of the people under probably 35ish today can’t envision life without electricity. They are almost a part of the grid themselves.
I don’t know if you are familiar with the Fallout series of games, but if you have the time, check into them...not that you need to because you could be definitely be scripting them, but just for general reference.
That’s the level of thinking. “I’ll call out for pizza.”
They are the folks who will not be able to find their way without a GPS in a car. On foot with their “mental mapping” skills? Hopeless.
We should probably be thankful in a way. Those folks will leave plenty behind the rest can use to rebuild. God knows they will be the first to starve, die off exposure or end up in a feral chain gang.
They embraced the stupid all their lives so I won’t shed tears for them.
I was hoping you would post this!
(If you didn’t I was going to.)
I read it yesterday and enjoyed it—BUT it was not enough! I want to know what happens to your antagonist after he leaves the ruined radio tower!
BTW, where is everyone—or should I say ANYone? Seems like he should encounter some people/community somewhere. Even and maybe especially in the mountains; where, as they say, a country boy can survive.
Finally, I’d be amiss not to notice the excellent title you gave the book.
If the government cuts all public communications, then business completely and utterly stops. The Internet is necessary for “Just in Time Inventory” from local Mom and Pop to big box retail.
To shut it down to stop an insurrection or civil unrest will be insane! People not working? Who would they blame? No food because Walmart couldn’t order the right or even ANY deliveries as soon as the shelves are empty? Repeat tens of thousands of times across the fruited plain and the chaos would be TOTAL and FINAL.
Imagine millions of rifle toting bitter clingers—now out of work, with idle hands, caused by the government or DoD, and getting hungrier every minute... THAT’S chaos.
They military wouldn’t be able to sustain themselves, let alone the country. In 1977, I was in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, THE USAF Nuclear war command center, in a terrible blizzard. No one could get up the mountain road. We had to triple shift triple times. We ran out of food after 24 hours! Yeah, there was tons of emergency rations, but eating any of them was against orders unless we were at a higher DEFCOM. Stupid, but that’s how obeying orders can be.
The modern way of life we now have is totally dependent on those communications. I teach high-level network and server classes at a big university. I often ask my students, “How long can a modern business last without email?” The practical answer is not more than a week. “Why?”, I then ask. “Emails only been around for 25 years, and business survived fine without it.”
The reply—and think about this—is we’ve FUNDAMENTALLY changed our whole supply, inventory, supplier to business to customer way of doing things. We are absolutely dependent on computing and electronic networks.
I am 75 years old, so wouldn’t expect to hold out long enough to be a slave.
The walls have been breached. Whoever doesn't (didn't) see this coming has purposely gouged his eyes out so as to remain blind.
Speaking of metaphors and allegories (Jerusalem-Babylon-America), it's like the writing on the wall that noone can read:
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see JerUSAlem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
A gun near a window makes you a valuable commodity in the prevention of other people from becoming one ;)
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