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To: WhiskeyX
Among patrilineal cultures for thousands of years, the child’s citizenship was determined by the father’s citizenship,

Baloney. Under the laws of nature, we have always known the identity of the mother. The father - not so much.

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29 posted on 08/25/2013 9:06:21 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

That is why your analogy was so utterly false...among many other reasons. The identity of the mother is not the subject matter being addressed by the application of natural law. In a patrilineal culture, the mother is the chattel or property of a husband, who is her master and guardian. In the patrileneal culture, the husband and master possesses the woman in part to produce his heirs and forge alliances among other families, clans, tribes, and nations. The wife had to take her husband’s and master’s citizenship to preserve the duty of obediance and loyalty to the husband, the husband’s family, the clan, the tribe, and so forth.

Of course,m if you really want the example of a matrileneal culture, take the Polynesians for example. Ownership and inheritance of property were through the female lineage only. The heir was the daughter. When the Mother produced only sons, she had no heir available to whom the estate and the civil power could be bequethed for inheritance. This problem was remedied by the expedient of taking one of her male sons and naturalizing him at birth as a daughter. He was required to be “considered as” a female and the daughter of the mother, inheriting the mothers civil powers and properties. Surely you did not intend to define such a daughter as a natural born daughter?


36 posted on 08/25/2013 9:49:14 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Tau Food

An American man goes to China and gets a Chinese woman pregnant.

An American woman goes to china, gets pregnant by a chinese citizen.

Both leave the baby in China a day after the birth, with the Chinese Father and Mother. Both born in China.

Are both NBC of America? Why not?


57 posted on 08/25/2013 7:20:00 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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