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NYPD cops say they won't go above and beyond the call of duty over 'stop-frisk' lawsuit risks
NYP ^ | August 24, 2013 | DANA SAUCHELLI, JAMIE SCHRAM and NATASHA VELEZ

Posted on 08/24/2013 4:55:00 PM PDT by Daffynition

Nypd beat cops posted a police-union warning in every precinct yesterday instructing officers not to go above and beyond the call of duty — or risk losing their jobs because of the new stop-and-frisk laws, The Post has learned.

“All officers should take action if he or she sees a crime in progress, or if he or she sees that his or her life or the life of another person is in danger . . . [But] all officers should be careful not to initiate any law-enforcement action that could be construed as violating the new legislation and subject the officer to legal action,” read the memo by Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch.

Several rank-and-file cops said yesterday that they plan on following Lynch’s advice rather than risk their careers.

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Even the bad guys have gotten the memo.

“Perps on the street are saying, ‘If they’re not going to stop me, I’m going to start carrying [my gun] again.’ That’s the word on the street,” said one police source.

1 posted on 08/24/2013 4:55:00 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Then that is how it shall be. The stop and frisk is basic Police State BS. It should not be supported at all.


2 posted on 08/24/2013 5:06:40 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo
Cops with their hands in their pockets. Makes me feel safe. Not going to NYC now.

We can expect seeing lots of Giuliani on the talking-head shows.


3 posted on 08/24/2013 5:11:18 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Daffynition
...all officers should be careful not to initiate any law-enforcement action that does not result in revenue or property forfeiture.
4 posted on 08/24/2013 5:14:03 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Daffynition

Looks like an interesting opportunity for an experiment.

Detroit is restarting the stop and frisk policy Coleman Young ended when he was mayor.


5 posted on 08/24/2013 5:18:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Criminal gang-bangers and thugs have 2nd Amendment rights? Who knew?


6 posted on 08/24/2013 5:19:14 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Daffynition

Just one MORE reason to NOT go to N.Y. City

Real surprised some inner city ghettos haven’t burned Yet


7 posted on 08/24/2013 5:20:24 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) ( Hey Rubio, eat pooh pal))
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To: Daffynition

Dear New Yorker, you are on your own.


8 posted on 08/24/2013 5:21:18 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: Daffynition

I think the NYPD have enough to do without having to frame innocent peeps.


9 posted on 08/24/2013 5:29:47 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Daffynition

It’s NYC , why should anyone care about the saftey of New Yorkers?

Give NYC to AL Qeda and or the Taliban in exchange for peace.


10 posted on 08/24/2013 5:37:40 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The reason we are where we are today is the belief that posting on a website will fix the nation.)
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To: NoLibZone

I don’t especially love stop and frisk laws but they’re a natural result of urban society. Cities have all kinds of laws and ordinances we don’t have out here.

It should be very interesting to see what happens to crime rates in NY vs Detroit over the coming years now that Detroit is restarting stop and frisk.


11 posted on 08/24/2013 5:45:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Daffynition

Top-down law enforcement. The feds don’t protect and serve the States. So the states and cities are blowing off their law-abiding citizens.

New Yorkers—you’re on your own. Prosecutors will go after the law-abiding, like Zimmerman while ignoring gangs. FR bleeding hearts will cheerleaders them.
Cops will ignore the gangbangers. Obamanation w/ GOP-e Greek chorus.

Gutless law enforcement. NYC tired of trailing Chitcago?
Good luck Big Apple. Yer gonna need it!


12 posted on 08/24/2013 5:46:28 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Daffynition

This policy is only going to hurt the people that it proposes to help. The people who live on the Upper East Side and all the other very very affluent areas of NYC are not going to be affected by this policy. Unless, the bad guys start committing crimes in those neighborhoods.

But, more than likely they will not as they know that upon getting caught, things will be much worse for them. No one cares if Drug Dealer #1 kills Drug Dealer #2. But, if Robber #! kills some high society type, holy moly.

If I was NYPD, I’d just handle my calls and go home. If that’s what the people of the city want, than let ‘em have it. Won’t be long before the carnage begins.


13 posted on 08/24/2013 5:49:55 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Daffynition

It’s good to be the judge who decides the big case.


14 posted on 08/24/2013 5:50:46 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Daffynition

So, basically, they will just be neighborhood watchmen. Now ‘rat Cuomo needs to be approach and say citizens must protect themselves and drop their ‘gun laws’. What Rudy made safe, the courts make unsafe.


15 posted on 08/24/2013 5:50:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: qaz123
No one cares if Drug Dealer #1 kills Drug Dealer #2. But, if Robber #! kills some high society type, holy moly.

Yeah, 'cause then Ben Affleck gets involved.

16 posted on 08/24/2013 5:55:42 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange (As as)
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To: presently no screen name

And the gang members, thugs, rapists and murderers cheer! How stupid can NYC be? Never mind - rhetorical question.


17 posted on 08/24/2013 6:09:17 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yes. They have rights, too.


18 posted on 08/24/2013 6:09:47 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Exactly. I find it baffling that so many people here on FreeRepublic would come down on the side of Mayor Michael “Police State” Bloomberg on this issue.


19 posted on 08/24/2013 6:22:34 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Daffynition

So?


20 posted on 08/24/2013 6:28:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: qaz123

**Remember the high crime days under Mayor David Dinkins in which New York suffered with a murder rate that ran from 2,300 to 2,600 murders A YEAR! That’s the way the city used to be.

But, progressives gladly exchange the safety of all New Yorkers just to get votes from blacks and Hispanics who are trained to vote only Democrat! If this city votes in a Democrat mayor then the blood is on their hands. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for crime–pure and simple!**
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I refuse to spend my tourist dollars in NYC...I’ll go elsewhere. I can’t carry there, to protect myself and family and a cop is going to be looking the other way. I won’t open myself up to the added danger. So long NY...it was great while it lasted.


21 posted on 08/24/2013 6:33:06 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: rawcatslyentist; Vendome

Cops on the beat already have the following mountain of oversight:

* Civilian Complaint Review Board: Investigates complaints of alleged misconduct with subpoena power.

* Commission to Combat Police Corruption: City agency that monitors and evaluates anti-corruption programs and practices.

* NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau: Reviews allegations of police misconduct and can recommend disciplinary action.

* NYPD Quality Assurance Division: Monitors compliance with department procedures through audits.

* Investigation Review Section: Part of the NYPD Chief of Patrol’s Office, investigates complaints not handled by IAB and CCRB.

* Prosecutors: The city’s five district attorneys, two US attorneys and the state attorney general have jurisdiction to conduct criminal investigations into allegations of police wrongdoing.

* Justice Department Civil Rights Division: Prosecutes allegations of police misconduct relating to civil-rights violations. Supervisors: Sergeants, lieutenants, precinct integrity officers and precinct commanders all review and evaluate the performance of officers.

A federal judge and the City Council have added these two extra layers of oversight:

* Inspector General: Investigates and reviews NYPD operations, policies and practices, including stop-andfrisk.

* Federal monitor (Peter Zimroth): Oversees compliance of a federal judge’s ruling reining in stopand-frisk, including training, supervision,monitoring and discipline.


22 posted on 08/24/2013 6:36:23 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Alberta's Child

You side with the Trayvons and the thugs who killed the Australian young man and the American old man and the baby in its crib?
You side with the gangbanger killers who have no right to carry but in NYC do, and will now more often since they know the cops have been ordered to comply with this official policy of `salutary neglect’.
So now NYC will likely become like Chicago—a killing field, because the thugs will be packing without fear of being arrested. At least they should continue to shoot one another, if the Chicago model rings true.
But the important thing is—you see no difference between say, FReepers—us—and gangbangers, and you don’t credit the police with having enough common sense to tell the difference?
Man, I find that baffling. Maybe it’s because you’re from up north .... the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact, AC.


23 posted on 08/24/2013 6:46:35 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

“The stop and frisk is basic Police State BS. It should not be supported at all.”

Yes, I agree, I would not tolerate being accosted on the street for a pat down, but then again we don’t have Feral Blacks prowling our neighborhood either. So while I think the Constitution should prevail, in NYC, there is going to be bloodshed without question. Oh well, the folks in Harlem and the Bronx got what they wanted, let’s just see how it all turns out.


24 posted on 08/24/2013 6:47:52 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

“Yes, I agree, I would not tolerate being accosted on the street for a pat down,”

Of course that’s not what was going on in NYC...the renaming is just agitprop.


25 posted on 08/24/2013 6:57:37 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Daffynition

Instead of stripping citizens of their 4th, why don’t we reinstate thier 2nd. The Constitution works every time. We don’t need unconstitutional stop and frisk, we need law abiding citizens to be able to shoot thugs that try to harm them. New York is its own crown of thorns.


26 posted on 08/24/2013 6:57:54 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: tumblindice
Baloney.

If there are "gangbang killers" on the streets of NYC they belong in prison or in a morgue, not walking around waiting to be frisked.

No, I don't credit the police with anything. I've been around long enough to know better than that.

And no, I'm not from "up north," either.

27 posted on 08/24/2013 7:00:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: goodwithagun; tumblindice
Instead of stripping citizens of their 4th, why don’t we reinstate [their] 2nd.

Exactly. I see no reason to side with a totalitarian mayor who considers soft drinks, trans-fats, and firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens to be public enemies.

28 posted on 08/24/2013 7:02:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

What’s really disgusting is I just posted about “reinstating” something that is God given and therefore inalienable. Frightening.


29 posted on 08/24/2013 7:09:09 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

does no one see the root of the problem?! Quotas!

ignorant blind sheeple. tisk tisk...

when i was told they wanted 5 stop and frisk reports a month i gave them five stop and frisk reports.

i wasnt racially profiling... i was filling my illegally demanded quota! and take note, those stop and frisk quotas only get pushed in busy crime ridden commands, and sorry to say those commands are mainly minority communities.

quotas you fools! now they just want more cell phone summonses.... dont orget to wear your seat blt loosers. stop the quotas.


30 posted on 08/24/2013 7:35:07 PM PDT by nypdbill
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To: qaz123
The people who live on the Upper East Side and all the other very very affluent areas of NYC are not going to be affected by this policy. Unless, the bad guys start committing crimes in those neighborhoods. But, more than likely they will not as they know that upon getting caught, things will be much worse for them. No one cares if Drug Dealer #1 kills Drug Dealer #2. But, if Robber #! kills some high society type, holy moly.

Remember the wealthy woman who had a shopping cart dropped on her from several floors up, causing her to suffer brain damage and lose sight in one eye? The culprits got 6 months in juvie.

31 posted on 08/24/2013 8:03:58 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Daffynition

“..If they’re not going to stop me, I’m going to start carrying [my gun] again...”

Then so should citizens.


32 posted on 08/24/2013 8:20:43 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Daffynition

Funny, the representatives of the people who are most at risk (those living in the high crime areas) are the ones who pushed for these new regulations the most.

The cops who patrol those areas will also be more at risk of getting shot at.

I don’t think those areas should receive any police protection. Let the cops stay out and let the residents who pushed for these laws kill each other. Less stress on the welfare budget.


33 posted on 08/24/2013 8:30:17 PM PDT by BusterBear
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To: Daffynition
‘If they’re not going to stop me, I’m going to start carrying [my gun] again.’

Will guy you just passed on the street, the one you once would have stopped and frisked, be the one to put a bullet between your shoulder blades?

34 posted on 08/24/2013 8:40:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Kill Obamacare not wound it.)
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To: BusterBear
I don’t think those areas should receive any police protection. Let the cops stay out and let the residents who pushed for these laws kill each other. Less stress on the welfare budget.

Sure, as long as police agree to abide by the Second Amendment.

Last I heard,though, NYPD was enforcing NYC's gun laws.

35 posted on 08/24/2013 8:59:30 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Daffynition

Bad ROE.....just like our military. I hope they have the same ROE when they come after the citizens.


36 posted on 08/24/2013 11:58:29 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Exactly. I find it baffling that so many people here on FreeRepublic would come down on the side of Mayor Michael “Police State” Bloomberg on this issue.

Exactly. It's shocking how many "conservatives" are willing to enable an intrusive, bigger government so long as that government is wearing a badge.
37 posted on 08/25/2013 1:13:09 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: lepton; vette6387
“Yes, I agree, I would not tolerate being accosted on the street for a pat down,”

Of course that’s not what was going on in NYC...the renaming is just agitprop.


That's exactly what we're talking about here - a policy in which innocent people are stopped on the street by the police and searched. The fact that only around 12% of these stops resulted in the cops finding anything at all tells us how abhorrent the practice is, not to mention how ineffectual.

Read that again - 88% of the people being stopped are innocent victims of an out-of-control police state. They walk away from their "encounter" without an arrest or summons, and likely without any respect for the police.

This isn't a 2nd Amendment question so much as it is a 4th Amendment one. In our country, we do not let the government presume us all criminals until we prove otherwise.
38 posted on 08/25/2013 1:20:50 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Daffynition

NYC has plenty of people. If a bunch get wasted due to this policy, there will still be plenty to fill their places.


39 posted on 08/25/2013 1:43:34 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Daffynition

It’s the “Stop, QUESTION and Frisk” law. About 5% are “frisked”. “Profiling”-— 2 white, young men, in a BMW, with New Jersey plates, IN HARLEM, at 1 AM. You think maybe something is wrong with this picture? So would any cop and would stop and question the people in the auto.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 5:25:17 AM PDT by capt B
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To: Ken H

Part of the purpose of the “Stop, Question and Frisk” policy was to get guns off the streets - I.e., enforce the NY gun laws. Now that cops are afraid of getting sued if they stop a member of a “protected” group, enforcement of the gun laws will be more spotty.

So - more people carrying, more shootings. All to the good. Let them kill each other.


41 posted on 08/25/2013 5:32:20 AM PDT by BusterBear
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To: RIghtwardHo

Usually “above and beyond” is used as a good thing - they have perverted it to indicate that it has meant “illegal police actions” and the “good” thing is that they will try to temper themselves to avoid legal consequences...


42 posted on 08/25/2013 5:34:30 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
Amazing to see how many here are supportive of the Bloomberg Police State.



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43 posted on 08/25/2013 5:42:17 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: goodwithagun
Instead of stripping citizens of their 4th, why don’t we reinstate thier 2nd. The Constitution works every time.

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44 posted on 08/25/2013 5:47:38 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

I’m quite disgusted with the amount of FReepers that support this policy!


45 posted on 08/25/2013 5:49:34 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Daffynition

Stop and Frisk is done in cities where honest and working citizens can’t buy a gun and be able to carry it for self protection.

NYC is the role model. Oakland, Ca where the ferals shoot and kill each other on a regular basis may be going to a ‘stop-frisk’ system.

John Lott has given us the answer a long time ago in his well researched book, “More Guns Less Crime”.

Allow the good citizens to buy and carry guns. Then pass laws where any feral using a gun for a crime gets a minimum of 25 years in jail. Then, pass a two strike law to remove more scum.


46 posted on 08/25/2013 8:13:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozoliar and his thugs in his outhouse lie 24/7/365. They are unable to tell the truth.)
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To: qaz123
If I was NYPD, I’d just handle my calls and go home. If that’s what the people of the city want, than let ‘em have it.

Only thing is, it's the Courts and the thugs that want it, not most of the law-abiding residents.

47 posted on 08/25/2013 8:33:07 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: highball

An astute radio host pointed out last week that the effectiveness of the “stop & frisk” policy is completely irrelevant. It would be illegal and unconstitutional even if it was 100% effective.


48 posted on 08/25/2013 9:53:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine

100% correct, but the law abiding citizens just sit there and do nothing. The activists and their ilk use this to put themselves out there and make a big deal about it. When people start dropping like flies and the crime rate spikes, they’ll shrug their shoulders and point to the cops, not taking any responsibility.

Hmmm, sounds like someone I know, a community activist who takes no responsibility for anything.


49 posted on 08/25/2013 10:06:26 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: NonValueAdded

I heard the same thing on Blazing Saddles...


50 posted on 08/25/2013 10:09:32 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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