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Reserving the right to refuse service (Is it a violation of the constitution and human rights?)
Hotair ^ | 08/23/2013 | Erika Johnsen

Posted on 08/23/2013 8:20:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
"A multicultural, pluralistic society, one of our nation’s strengths, demands no less.”

Well, judge, if you cannot see the irony in your own comments, you are an idiot, and an idiot of the worst kind - an idiot with power.
41 posted on 08/23/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind

You “don’t oppose gay marriage” and the story “seems” wrong. But you’re “conservative, right?

Do you carry a pic of Chris Christy in your wallet by any chance?
It’s people like you that enable this bovine excrement.


42 posted on 08/23/2013 10:55:06 AM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Find another photographer”?

Its all set up. The fag lobby goes around the country purposely picking these fights. Of course they could another photog!


43 posted on 08/23/2013 11:02:58 AM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

My question is what will be the result when the gay lobby demands access to your children to be exploited for sexual purposes and that is their ultimate goal and is in the works with the continued defining deviancy down animals. You then being a parent or grandparent deny them access based on religious views or just plain common decency and common sense. Will the courts demand we comply and hand over our children to be abused in the name of civil rights?


44 posted on 08/23/2013 11:51:58 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t it interesting that the State used to MANDATE racial discrimination, and now the State PROHIBITS discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs? Funny how the State never settles on a middle position—freedom.


45 posted on 08/23/2013 12:41:57 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court thinks it’s okay for the government to force you to buy something you don’t want.

Why shouldn’t the courts think it’s okay to force you to sell something you don’t want to sell too?


46 posted on 08/23/2013 12:43:37 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

RE: The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court thinks it’s okay for the government to force you to buy something you don’t want.

Actually his reasoning is the government can TAX you for not buying something they want you to buy.

If he were to apply this logic consistently, he can also say the government can TAX a business for refusing service to someone on the basis of sexual orientation.

See... when you start a ball rolling, it’s difficult to stop it.


47 posted on 08/23/2013 12:50:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I get that. It’s not the penalty that is the issue here, it’s the concept. Punishment for not purchasing something the government says you have to have.

You’re quite right, though. Once the government goes all in, they are all the way in, and those who object on religious or any other grounds are all the way out.


48 posted on 08/23/2013 1:11:34 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: cripplecreek
Rather than encouraging non smokers to open bars of their own, government dictates that all must exclude smokers.

A very popular bar at one of the beaches in Delaware had gone no-smoking long before they put in the smoking ban. The owner fought that ban as hard as the owners who wanted to keep allowing smoking because such a ban would destroy the niche he had made for himself. His booming business went down the tubes. It was a shame. On the other hand, another owner claimed he knew his customers would prefer smoke free, but he was afraid he would lose too much business if he went that way when others didn't have to. I rubbed my hands in glee when he went out of business.

49 posted on 08/23/2013 1:16:32 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

You rubbed your hands in glee over a business owner who made a purposeful, and rational, choice that turned out to be wrong?

You obviously have never been in business for yourself.


50 posted on 08/23/2013 1:20:08 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
You rubbed your hands in glee over a business owner who made a purposeful, and rational, choice that turned out to be wrong?

You totally misunderstood my comment. I supported the man who was non smoking in his fight against the ban. It was the guy who wouldn't go smokefree until everyone else was forced to do so that I was happy to see hurt.

You obviously have never been in business for yourself.

Ive been self-employed for nearly 30 years.

Any other mistakes you care to make about my post?

51 posted on 08/23/2013 3:53:53 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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It was the guy who wouldn't go smokefree until everyone else was forced to do so that I was happy to see hurt.

That's the mistake I was pointing out.

The taking of private property by the government without compensation issue has been around a long time. I son't need to cover that ground again.

The fact that you enjoyed seeing someone else hurt over the unconstitutional seizing of this restaurateur owner's property tells me what kind of person you are.

52 posted on 08/23/2013 4:09:38 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

If you find the original story, they found another photographer. Then they filed a discrimination complaint.


53 posted on 08/23/2013 4:19:14 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: Balding_Eagle
The fact that you enjoyed seeing someone else hurt over the unconstitutional seizing of this restaurateur owner's property tells me what kind of person you are.

The fact you still insist on misunderstanding my point tells me what kind of person you are.

HE is the one that insisted the government do it - he wanted the unconstitutional seizing of the restaurant property of other owners because he was too afraid to try going smoke free on his own because he was afraid he would lose business to the ones who chose to still welcome smokers.

That you are defending someone for pushing the use of government force against other business owners to force them to do something he was afraid to do makes absolutely no sense to me.

54 posted on 08/23/2013 4:21:31 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: kabumpo

You also missed another point. The (Democrat controlled) government passed laws that said restaurants had to be segregated.


55 posted on 08/23/2013 4:21:46 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: Gabz

We need to reclaim our freedom of association in this country and our freedom to not associate if we choose.


56 posted on 08/23/2013 4:22:39 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

EXACTLY!


57 posted on 08/23/2013 4:51:04 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

I did misunderstand you.

I didn’t realize that restaurant owner was the one who was able to force the government to seize his property, along with everyone else’s.

That absurd notion (the basis of which is key to your scenario) changes everything, and has me cheering for his demise too.

I was under the misimpression that the restaurant owner simply didn’t have the risk taking personality (or maybe bank account?) to venture out there on his own.

Having been in the position of not having the capital to take certain risks myself, even when I thought they were good risks, I hope you’ll understand me when I say that that’s where I started from first. My error.

VIVA EMANATE DOMAIN!


58 posted on 08/23/2013 6:05:00 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (When America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

No problem.

The guy that took the chance on a non smoking bar was doing well and didn’t want to see others forced to go non smoking. The guy who didn’t want to take such a chance, but personally wanted to go non smoking, decided it was best to support the government forcing everyone to do it.

I supported the first guy and was sorry to hear his business was hurt. It was the owners who pushed for and supported the ban who I felt no such regret - and I hope I helped with the demise of some of them, because the minute I knew they were supporters of it - their establishments went off my radar and I have never set foot in any of their establishments again (those that still exist, that is.)


59 posted on 08/23/2013 6:29:31 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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