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To: GBA
I'm arguing about profiling. Stop and frisk is just another kind of profiling. Nobody wants a police state, but everybody wants to be relatively safe and secure. I don't like airport random searches...I've been through the vigorous search, and it's not fun. But I also want to be secure. It all depends on the situation. If certain groups of Americans are far more likely to commit crimes than other groups, they should be liable to be searched. The constitution is not a suicide pact.

p.s. I was at a rock concert, Fleetwood Mac, in the Twin Cities earlier this year where all males entering the arena (myself included) were stopped and frisked. Did that violate my constitutional rights? I'm an older white male. I don't think it did. Maybe it would you.

28 posted on 08/23/2013 7:57:25 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I’ve been stopped and questioned or frisked before myself. As a teenager our local cop did it on occasion and kept us out of bigger trouble by doing so. He’d find a joint on me and scrub it into the pavement and take me home while explaining why it was better him than someone else. I didn’t like it but I liked him and knew he was right about other cops would have dealt with it.

I’ve been pulled over in the middle of the night a few times as well by cops who claimed my car looked like one they were looking for. Its been quite a few years now but middle aged men aren’t a major source of crime and I’m usually home before 10.

A few months back I met an old man in Detroit carrying a bag of groceries with an AR-15 slung across his back. The cops drove by and slowed down while we talked but didn’t stop. Funny thing is that the cops were probably more interested in me because I was the white guy in a very rough black neighborhood. The cops knew the old guy and knew the pastor I was there with.


29 posted on 08/23/2013 8:24:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: driftless2
No, I don't think it did. It's a private venue and they can do things GuvCo can't, just as you're free to decline going to the concert.

I certainly don't mind profiling. Giving greater scrutiny to those fitting the profile of those currently committing crime is simply good police work, and I can give some leeway to paying greater attention to, and even stopping those currently in the system or under scrutiny. To my thinking, they started it.

However, as soon as GuvCo starts stopping and searching people on the streets, laying hands upon individuals without warrant or probable cause, breaking and entering with a no-knock raid, warrantless wiretapping or any other such war on human nature and individual rights as innumerated in our Constitution "just because" then, in my humblest of opinions, we are doing it wrong.

The more of those types of things you allow, the more you'll accept and eventually end up with.

The world has changed quite a bit from when Fleetwood Mac was first popular as a result of feeding that camel. Now, we're damn near sleeping with it.

31 posted on 08/23/2013 8:47:33 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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