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Ill-fated UPS jet was on autopilot seconds before crash
Yahoo ^ | 08/17/13 | Verma Gates

Posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:47 PM PDT by BunnySlippers

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (Reuters) - The UPS cargo jet that crashed in Alabama this week, killing its two crew members, was flying on autopilot until seconds before impact, even after an alert that it was descending too quickly, authorities said on Saturday

"The autopilot was engaged until the last second of recorded data," said Robert Sumwalt, a senior official with the National Transportation Safety Board.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftaccident; awos; contributingfactor; ntsb; planecrash; ups
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1 posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:47 PM PDT by BunnySlippers

To: BunnySlippers
Density altitude can change quickly.

Sounds like the AP logic/math needs to be reviewed.

2 posted on 08/17/2013 5:19:34 PM PDT by Paladin2

To: BunnySlippers
Problem: Left inside main tyre almost needs replacement. Solution: Almost replaced left inside main tyre.

Problem: Test flight OK, except autoland very rough. Solution: Autoland not installed on this aircraft.

Problem: Something loose in cockpit. Solution: Something tightened in cockpit.

Problem: Dead bugs on windshield. Solution: Live bugs on backorder.

Problem: Number 3 engine missing. Solution: Engine found on right wing after brief search.

Problem: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200-fpm descent. Solution: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.

Problem: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. Solution: Evidence removed.

Problem: DME volume unbelievably loud. Solution: Volume set to more believable level.

Problem: Noise coming from #2 engine. Sounds like man with little hammer. Solution: Took little hammer away from man in #2 engine.

Problem: Whining noise coming from #2 engine compartment. Solution: Returned little hammer to man in #2 engine.

Problem: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. Solution: That’s what they are there for!

Problem: IFF inoperative. Solution: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.

Problem: Suspected crack in windscreen. Solution: Suspect you’re right.

Problem: Aircraft handles funny. Solution: Aircraft warned to “Straighten up, Fly right, and Be Serious.”

Problem: Unfamiliar noise coming from #2 engine. Solution: Engine run for four hours. Noise now familiar.

Problem: Mouse in cockpit. Solution: Cat installed.

3 posted on 08/17/2013 5:19:47 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)

To: BunnySlippers

Don’t any of these ATR rates fly their approaches anymore?

4 posted on 08/17/2013 5:29:22 PM PDT by onedoug

To: billorites
LOL!!! prolly more than a little truth there...
5 posted on 08/17/2013 5:31:00 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)

To: BunnySlippers
W-T-F?

There goes my "windshear" theory replaced with "autopilot engaged, pilots brain disengaged" theory. between this and asiana what's up with otherwise smart people making mind numbingly stupid mistakes with hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment (and peoples lives)?

CC

6 posted on 08/17/2013 5:31:39 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)

To: billorites

That’s pretty funny. We’re you ever a maintenance Master Chief in a P-3 squadron??

7 posted on 08/17/2013 6:00:34 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)

To: Celtic Conservative

Years ago, before the A-300 received its airworthiness approval one flew into the trees, on autopilot, at the end of a runway in France. Completely over flew the runway and the auto pilot would not relinquish controls to the pilots. That crash was also fatal. This sounds like AP software failure too.

8 posted on 08/17/2013 6:05:19 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)

Don’t think density altitude had anything to do with it. One report was the plane was on fire before it hit. DA deals with high elevations and high temps and humidity. Birmingham is at 600 feet.

9 posted on 08/17/2013 6:07:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)

To: BunnySlippers

10 posted on 08/17/2013 6:08:32 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)

Didn’t thing those things landed themselves.

11 posted on 08/17/2013 6:09:29 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)

To: SkyDancer

It’s good to know exactly where the ground is when landing.

12 posted on 08/17/2013 6:10:25 PM PDT by Paladin2

To: Celtic Conservative

You would figure that
Pilots in the pointy end
Would pay attention.

‘Cause no matter what,
If there is an accident,
They will get there first.

13 posted on 08/17/2013 6:14:39 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")

To: BunnySlippers

Asian pilots?

14 posted on 08/17/2013 6:17:36 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)

The data recorder will tell a lot plus whatever the CVR will reveal.

15 posted on 08/17/2013 6:22:45 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)

To: Delta 21

It took 10 posts......disappointing.

16 posted on 08/17/2013 6:24:09 PM PDT by dfwgator

To: BunnySlippers

The new 777s cockpits are so small, they were designed for only one pilot and a dog. The dog is there to bite the pilot if he touches anything.

17 posted on 08/17/2013 6:25:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)

To: billorites

Sooo sad when UPS jet goes DOWNS!

18 posted on 08/17/2013 6:27:36 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)

To: Afterguard

Now THAT is scary.

While both UPS and FedEx have increasingly purchased new aircraft, they also have a history of sometimes buying aircraft near the end of their life cycle. Some of the first aircraft that FedEx bought (727-100’s from LAN Chile and DC-10-10’s from the original Continental) were pretty exciting rides.

I wonder how old the A300 was. IIRC, UPS did not buy any A300s when they were in production.

19 posted on 08/17/2013 6:32:28 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)

To: Afterguard

That accident was an A-320- a totally different aircraft. The A-300 is not fly-by-wire like all subsequent Airbus aircraft.

20 posted on 08/17/2013 6:33:57 PM PDT by mgpilot

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