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RG3: Gay players should come out [NFL pro-sodomite QB claims to be Christian, but....]
Fox Sports ^ | 8/14/13

Posted on 08/14/2013 7:02:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: Nifster
Your last post is completely dishonest and a lie - nowhere, in any rules of debate or logic is a full quote required in order to challenge a portion of the statement - unless there are some Nifster Rules of Debate somewhere. All that is required is that the person challenging (myself) not twist or misconstrue the meaning while addressing that specific portion - which I did not - although you dishonestly imply that I did.

The full quote is here: “I think there are [gay players] right now, and if they're looking for a window to just come out, I mean, now is the window. My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin, then thinking about other women, committing adultery—or any of those other sins that are in the Bible—those are sins, too. And God looks at all of us the same way.”

I am NOT going to yield to your demand to “deal with the direct quotation in its entirety” because it is wholly without merit or foundation. However, I will clearly show that my statement in NO WAY twisted the plain meaning or intent of his words.

His meaning, stated more clearly is this:
Some Christians may choose to consider homosexuality a sin, while behaving sinfully themselves. We are all sinners before God.

Now let's look at what I initially posted:

“He actually makes a statement bordering on apostasy when he says: “You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin...”
It is not a matter of Christians WANTING to view something as a sin, it is a matter of what God has said is sin - regardless of how we want to view it.

He is right, however, in pointing out some common, overlooked sins in the Christian community - but my sin does not make your sin acceptable, which is the argument he is using.

It is one thing to encourage acceptance of the sinner, a completely different thing to advocate accepting the sin.”

NOW - please point out exactly where I “added (my) spin”. Show how what I posted “...(took) his words out of context” - keeping in mind that using the phrase “taking his words out of context” only has value if the meaning was distorted or misconstrued - otherwise it is simply accusatory babble. So show exactly where I distorted or misconstrued his meaning. Did he not clearly imply that he chooses NOT to consider it sin, while other Christians DO so choose?

Show where I “avoid his other condemnations of those that sin.” (Pay particular attention to the paragraph that begins “He is right, however...”)

Your entire response to me has been intellectually dishonest. You have lied about what I have stated, you have implied I have done something I have clearly not. And you have, by throwing out accusatory gobbledygook and garbage, pretended to challenge my position while completely avoiding the very core of my argument - which is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty

81 posted on 08/14/2013 3:23:35 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Perdogg

RG3 is an athlete. So what? Much ado about nothing.


82 posted on 08/14/2013 4:56:36 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Nifster

>>a football player will NEVER be a role model.

Certainly not the present crop of felons. But there was a day when the likes of Randy Gradishar, Craig Morton, and even Lyle Alzado and Mean Joe were folks youngsters could look up to.

>>BWAHAHAHAHAHHA not even close

“BWAHAHAHAHAHHA” is typically part of the Useful Idiot vocabulary.

YMMV.


83 posted on 08/14/2013 7:13:44 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher

you really are a very funny person....not a single one of the football players you named would have been on a list of my or my peers role models. Football players are not Jonas Salk or any NACA/NASA engineer (Al Sieff comes to mind as does Harvey Allen). They play a game. If they are decent people that is the extent of their import. They did nothing to prolong life. They were not surgeons or fire fighters or police officers or members of the military. Perhaps if you had picked someone like roger Staubach I could have understood. They play a game end of story. Tell me what they did with the rest of their lives and then maybe we can talk


84 posted on 08/14/2013 7:20:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: TArcher

and just so you know BWAHAHAHAHAHA is a good sized belly laugh....may or may not be evil in its intent......


85 posted on 08/14/2013 7:21:01 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

It’s evident you’ve never experienced or observed the character-building exercise that just “playing a game” can be.

Too bad for you little man.


86 posted on 08/14/2013 7:33:20 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Nifster

>>and just so you know BWAHAHAHAHAHA is a good sized belly laugh

Uhuh - and it’s still a significant portion of the Useful Idiot’s vocabulary.


87 posted on 08/14/2013 7:36:26 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: carriage_hill

Tom Brady hit on his knee today too!!!


88 posted on 08/14/2013 11:12:29 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

Might as well draw a target on it for pre-season games. IINM, knees are the/one of the weakest, unprotected links in an athlete’s body.


89 posted on 08/15/2013 2:42:30 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
So, let's not let a little thing like homosexuality come between homosexuals and their God.

Yes, yes. It IS sarcasm.

90 posted on 08/15/2013 4:42:08 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: TArcher

You are so wrong. But part of that character building experience INCLUDED learning that it is just a game. It is not life and death. it is not my family ( though good friendships were developed and still exist). It is a game. It is a chance to learn to accept winning with some grace and dignity and to turn loses into an opportunity to improve.

But in the end IT IS JUST A GAME


91 posted on 08/15/2013 11:26:22 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: TArcher

oh thank you oh so wise one.....


92 posted on 08/15/2013 11:26:48 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Up yours little man.


93 posted on 08/15/2013 6:57:32 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: dfwgator

Libertarians would be far more receptive to live and let live gay players if the liberal PC media and the league didn’t shove the agenda down everyone’s throat (no pun intended).

It’s really between the players to decide. You can’t legislate or socially engineer mutual respect.


94 posted on 08/15/2013 7:29:32 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Nice to see not all athletes are onboard with the gays

Russian Pole vault great (a woman) condemns homosexuality at worlds

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pole-vault-great-condemns-homosexuality-worlds-165301092.html


95 posted on 08/15/2013 7:31:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TArcher

so classy


96 posted on 08/15/2013 7:59:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

>>It is not life and death.

For many young athletes the lessons learned on the playing field reverberate in exactly that.

Whether you want to deal with the fact is irrelevant. Professional athletes ARE what many young folks have as role models because those individuals on the screen are the models of success they’re exposed to and/or want to relate to — and that is who will try to emulate sans other constructive influences.


97 posted on 08/15/2013 8:07:13 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher

It is the lack of family structure and a civili society that drives young people to value ‘stardom’ over merit


98 posted on 08/15/2013 8:09:36 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Says the fool who thinks young folks won’t emulate the behavior of professional athletes.

“Hey c’mon out ya’ll, everybody sins - so pile it on, to each his own”

Meanwhile, Jesus told the woman at the well to GO AND SIN NO MORE.


99 posted on 08/15/2013 8:15:51 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do."

Way to give Jesus Christ the middle-finger, RG. Here's a guy doing the Devil's Work and proud of it.

100 posted on 08/15/2013 8:18:42 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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