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Bigger Hospitals May Lead to Bigger Bills for Patients
New York Times ^ | 12 August 2013 | Julie, Creswell, Reed Abelson

Posted on 08/12/2013 1:23:03 PM PDT by Lorianne

Hospitals across the nation are being swept up in the biggest wave of mergers since the 1990s, a development that is creating giant hospital systems that could one day dominate American health care and drive up costs.

The consolidations are being driven by a confluence of powerful forces, not least of which is President Obama’s signature health care law, the Affordable Care Act. That law, many experts say, is transforming the economics of health care and pushing a growing number of hospitals into the arms of suitors.

The changes are unfolding with remarkable speed. Two big for-profit hospital chains, Community Health Systems of Tennessee and Health Management Associates of Florida, are combining in a $7.6 billion deal.

In fact, Booz & Company, a consulting firm, predicts that 1,000 of the nation’s roughly 5,000 hospitals could seek out mergers in the next five to seven years.

Some economists and health insurance companies worry that the trend could raise health care costs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: freemedicalcare; highwayrobbery; padding; shakedownracket
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1 posted on 08/12/2013 1:23:03 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Big Government + Big Business = Big Sucking Sound


2 posted on 08/12/2013 1:25:36 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Lorianne

Case in point.....Pittsburgh.

UPMC was allowed to buy up nearly 85% of the hospitals in this region, giving them near-monopoly status. They owned hospitals and medical practices, and a large insurance company. If you had a health problem and your insurance did not play by their rules, you were SOL.

Only when they announced that they’d stop accepting Highmark BC/BS insurance did things hit the fan. Highmark defended itself by purchasing the bankrupt and rapidly dying Allegheny Health System to try and quickly set up its own network.

Best-case for the region now is you’ll have your choice of one of 2 monopolistic behemoths who won’t play nice with each other.

There are rumblings from Harrisburg that the state is going to step in and MAKE them play nice. Which is to say the state will basically be taking over healthcare in this region.


3 posted on 08/12/2013 1:28:49 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lorianne

There are some areas where medical facilities have been overbuilt. A large plant, not used to near potential, is costly. Instead of looking at consolidation as a bad thing, I think there are many positive aspects of merging.

More services will be available under one roof. The full plant can be supported because of optimal utilization. It’s generally a healthier environment financially, if the beds are full.


4 posted on 08/12/2013 1:32:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I don’t want to see a large chain dominate markets. That would be sort of like having only the government provide service, with no alternatives.


5 posted on 08/12/2013 1:34:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ooooh—my mom is boycoting UPMC. I think she’d die rather than use one of their facilities.


6 posted on 08/12/2013 1:35:35 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: DoughtyOne

Unfortunately, if you’re a patient in one of the big places, you are going to end up paying for all of their services(indirectly) whether you use them or not. You are much better off using facilities that only have what you are going to use—such a an ambulatory surgery center where you are not paying the salaries of pharmacists, food services, etc. The costs aqssociated with such centers are sometimes a quarter of what you might pay in a large facility.


7 posted on 08/12/2013 1:40:11 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: freeangel

For real. What good are all these so-called “regulators” if they were asleep at the wheel allowing UPMC to buy up that big a share of the local hospitals and med practices?


8 posted on 08/12/2013 1:41:17 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lorianne

Some information perhaps not known by everyone. I just discovered it and hopefully it will help others.

There are independent imaging places to get tests like MRI’s, Chest x-rays etc., that are a heck of a lot cheaper than medical centers (outpatient) connected to local hospitals. My daughter got an MRI $1600 cheaper than at the outpatient medical center and I have been quoted $395.00 for a CT Scan as opposed to the cost at the outpatient medical center for $2900.00. I saw a commercial on TV for the center and found that they are located in our area and gave them a call AND they do participate in our Medicare Advantage plan. Under my coverage I’ll pay $300.00 of that cost but at least I’m saving taxpayers $2505.00.

If you’re scheduled for any of these tests, try to find an independent place and get prices. Of course, check to see if your insurance plan covers them. It’s been my experience that the doctor’s offices go ahead and make appointments with the places they are familiar and affiliated with when we should be the ones controlling it. I’m 77 years old and never had any experience with the medical field before this (thank goodness) so it’s all new to me. Maybe some others will be happy to get the information also.

Hopefully, there are more available across the country.


9 posted on 08/12/2013 1:42:24 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Lorianne

The medical business generates the OPPOSITE of economies of scale - they generate DIS-economies of scale.


10 posted on 08/12/2013 1:54:27 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Thank You Rush

In addition to saving on MRIs, you can also save on lab tests and outpatient medical care if you self pay. This can really help for those with large deductibles or co-pays, or no insurance. Of course, you won’t find any discounts at large hospitals systems, but you can find good deals at independent and solo practices that accept self pay patients.
Even if costs are going up for medical care at hospitals, pay is going down for physicians and many are now opting out of Medicare and private third party insurance. Some Medicare patients may even go outside of the big box hospital system and self pay so that they can get high quality, confidential and personalized health care which is often cheaper in the long run than assembly line medicine.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 1:58:25 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Lorianne

Remember, Democrats really like corporations, because they are easier to nationalize.


12 posted on 08/12/2013 2:12:07 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: Lorianne
Sorry. It's not a big shock. The hospital industry, pharmaceutical industry, insurance industry, academic medicine and the AMA all jumped on board Obamacare fairly early on. They didn't do that because they thought that they were going to be hurt by Obamacare.

The only ones who were left out of this party were the consumers.

13 posted on 08/12/2013 2:12:46 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

A BIG part of this baked into the new Obamacare rules. Hospitals are forced to have a comprehensive system to handle patients after discharge because if they bounce back to the hospital after discharge it faces big penalties. So their “ community plan” has to include outpatient clinics , provider nets, rehab, home health, nursing homes, ANYTHING and everything that can prevent the patient from having to be readmitted. Only rich, large systems can do this. Many smaller community hospitals have to sign on with the big systems or die.


14 posted on 08/12/2013 2:25:39 PM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: freeangel

I don’t disagree with that. The problem is most people don’t think rationally like you do.

Those pharmacists at the hospitals are only there to provide services to people who really need them. Thus folks should only go to the hospital if they are in bad enough shape where they must go.


15 posted on 08/12/2013 2:52:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: Thank You Rush
Under my coverage I’ll pay $300.00 of that cost but at least I’m saving taxpayers $2505.00.

It is likely that Medicare (and certainly Medicaid) would reimburse each place about the same amount (regardless of billing) from the standard fee schedule.

16 posted on 08/12/2013 2:59:07 PM PDT by steve86 (despairing but what can I do)
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To: DoughtyOne

“There are some areas where medical facilities have been overbuilt.”

Call for Mayor Menino...


17 posted on 08/12/2013 3:05:13 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

In my area we used to have about seven hospitals within just a few minutes ride by car.

Burbank Community Hospital
Glendale Adventist Medical Center
Glendale Community Hospital
Glendale Memorial Hospital
Huntington Memorial Hospital
Saint Joseph’s Medical Center
Verdugo Hills Hospital

I could get to any of these within about ten minutes.

There were times when these each had a lot of empty beds. Several went under. Five of them are still going...


18 posted on 08/12/2013 3:15:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: Lorianne

Let us not forget that under Obamacare, no privately owned hospitals may be built and no existing ones may expand.


19 posted on 08/12/2013 4:08:17 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: steve86

“”It is likely that Medicare (and certainly Medicaid) would reimburse each place about the same amount (regardless of billing) from the standard fee schedule.””

That’s probably true. I wonder what the standard would be. Must be $2600 as I paid $300 of a $2900 bill for the first CT Scan in June. I have to have a re-check in September so I made the appointment at the independent place. So regardless of where I have it done, I’ll have to pay $300 based on my coverage but Medicare would still pay the same $2600.00 from a fee schedule??? That’s NUTS!!!


20 posted on 08/12/2013 5:45:48 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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