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To: Kip Russell
You crazy? Pennsylvania is one of the most gun friendly states there is. A lot better than most southern states.

Shall issue CCW (15 days and $45)

Class III is easy.

Assault weapons? Buy as many as you want.

Castle doctrine. Stand your ground. Shoot a thug and the DA will shake your hand.

When Philly tries to "pass sensible gun control" they are struck down in a heart beat (after paying a fine)

Pennsylvania isn't as bad for gun rights as New York (short of California, what is?), but it's not as if they're moving into a gun-friendly state. There are states that are a lot better for gun companies than PA.

12 posted on 08/07/2013 6:31:56 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana
You crazy? Pennsylvania is one of the most gun friendly states there is. A lot better than most southern states.

The Brady Campaign ranks it as the 10th strongest state in terms of gun control, so I presumed that the climate there wasn't that good...I stand corrected.

13 posted on 08/07/2013 6:37:22 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: 2banana

Also PA does not fingerprint for CCW permits which has to be one of the few.


27 posted on 08/07/2013 7:20:10 PM PDT by gunnut
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To: 2banana
Assault weapons? Buy as many as you want.

Incorrect. One needs an FFL Class III. Semi-autos is another story.

31 posted on 08/07/2013 7:29:57 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: 2banana
2banana said: "Pennsylvania is one of the most gun friendly states there is."

Too bad they recently changed their reciprocity law such that a Kalifornian like myself can't carry on a Florida non-resident carry permit. I won't be visiting Pennsylvania until Kalifornia joins the Union and recognizes the Second Amendment.

Anybody reading this thread know what a Kalifornian would have to do to get a Pennsylvania non-resident permit?

40 posted on 08/07/2013 8:33:44 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: 2banana
Good news and bad news, I think.

First the bad news. Apparently I can't get a Pennsylvania non-resident permit because I don't hold a Kalifornia permit. PA seems unconcerned that there are other states which infringe the right to keep and bear arms.

The good news seems to be that, although PA won't recognize my non-resident Florida permit, it appears that they will recognize my non-resident Utah permit. Am I understanding this correctly? What possible explanation can there be for this asymmetry?

42 posted on 08/07/2013 9:07:50 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: 2banana
I asked: "What possible explanation can there be for this asymmetry?"

I believe I now have the answer.

Pennsylvania law authorizes the creation of reciprocity agreements with other states. Pennsylvania law also explicitly permits the Attorney General to recognize states which have similar firearms laws and to recognize their permits as long as Pennsylvania permits are recognized by that state.

Pennsylvania has an explicit reciprocity agreement with Florida and it explicitly recognizes the permits granted by Florida to FLORIDA residents. It is silent regarding non-residents.

The Attorney General of Pennsylvania has recognized that Utah has similar firearms laws and that Utah recognizes Pennsylvania permits. This recognition constitutes authority for Utah permit holders, without any reference to residency of the permit holder, to carry in Pennsylvania.

It looks to me as if those holding a non-resident Florida permit have never had the authority to carry in Pennsylvania, given the explicit language of the reciprocity agreement with Florida and the fact that the Attorney General has not recognized Florida as having similar laws, etc.

So, it does appear that the situation is asymmetrical and that I can continue to carry in Pennsylvania using my non-resident Utah permit.

It also appears that the legislators of these various states have no real principles regarding the right to keep and bear arms and are willing to infringe the right in any way they see fit.

49 posted on 08/07/2013 10:24:54 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: 2banana
I said: "It looks to me as if those holding a non-resident Florida permit have never had the authority to carry in Pennsylvania ..."

This was an error on my part. The reciprocity agreement signed in 2001 was silent with regard to residency of the Florida permit holder.

The amended agreement, signed in February of 2013, contains the language explicitly limiting the reciprocity to Florida residents.

51 posted on 08/07/2013 10:57:03 PM PDT by William Tell
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