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Pope Says He Won't Judge Gay Priests
philly.com ^ | 7/29/13 | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 07/29/2013 5:33:38 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip...

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.

His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.

Francis' remarks came Monday during a plane journey back to the Vatican from his first foreign trip in Brazil.

He was funny and candid during a news conference that lasted almost an hour and a half. He didn't dodge a single question, even thanking the journalist who raised allegations reported by an Italian newsmagazine that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a scandalous gay tryst.

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Um, I am loathe to trust the media....so can someone find out what the Pope REALLY meant?
1 posted on 07/29/2013 5:33:39 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sounds to me like Francis has become rather laissez-faire about homo priests.


2 posted on 07/29/2013 5:36:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: ScottinVA

Got to remember he is tired from a long trip. Take it with a grain of salt.


3 posted on 07/29/2013 5:40:22 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ScottinVA

Let’s remember that the media will spin any comment or leave out the context IF it will advance a perverted agenda....remember the George Zimmerman 9-1-1 call?


4 posted on 07/29/2013 5:42:39 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sounds like he is attending to the world philosophy, if you can’t beat them, join them. Will go a long way to increasing the coffers.

I have high expectations of worldly wrath for such a comment.


5 posted on 07/29/2013 5:42:59 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m not Catholic but as I understand this unless the Pope changed the position of what the RCC teaches on celibacy and natural marriage, he still opposes homosexual(and all other non-marital) sexual relations.


6 posted on 07/29/2013 5:44:46 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ll read later when tome allows

It does save time to know what the Church says about hosexuality

It says that homosexuals are neither born that way or not it doesn’t matter. That they should not act on it

He is saying that when we meet God is when we send ourselves to wherever we’re going for eternity, that the Pope doesn’t do that

It means there is no room in the priesthood for practicing homosexuals It means that non practicing homosexuals should not be around a lot of men like in the priesthood

But not one journalist nor CINO. Could possibly take one God given hour to read it and find out

Also that the emy never sleeps and one should take the hour to get informed


7 posted on 07/29/2013 5:45:04 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SoFloFreeper

it wouldn’t mean they could continue with their perverted practices, those would have to cease


8 posted on 07/29/2013 5:46:09 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"Um, I am loathe to trust the media....so can someone find out what the Pope REALLY meant?"

That's wise.

Here's another story that may be related and "grow legs" as the Pope returns to Rome:

Report: Pope Francis Appointee Has History of Gay Affairs (Ricca)
Breitbart ^ | 21 Jul 2013, 5:32 PM PDT | Kate O'Hare
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3045762/posts

9 posted on 07/29/2013 5:46:51 AM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: ScottinVA

Yes duh it’s meant to.

The Freepers will be out in force over this proving they adore the media when it hates and misquotes the Catholic Church

The hypocrisy is sickening


10 posted on 07/29/2013 5:47:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SoFloFreeper

If the quote they have is accurate, he is correct. It is not for us to judge.


11 posted on 07/29/2013 5:47:19 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (If stupid ever reaches $150 a barrel then I want the drilling rights to Maxine Water's head.)
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To: stanne

And the Pope cannot change what the Church teaches. Certainly about this


12 posted on 07/29/2013 5:48:39 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SoFloFreeper

Media spin.

The Left does not understand that perfect love also chastises; and that being unfit for a job is not a condemnation to hell.

So, “men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests” and “gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten” are not two contradictory statements.


13 posted on 07/29/2013 5:48:44 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: SoFloFreeper

My reading indicates 3 items, none of which contradicts Church teachings.

1. A person can be attracted to someone of the same sex, but is earnestly seeking God, trying to do His will. That person, like everyone else, is a sinner, and deserves mercy and forgiveness. This gay person is NOT likely to be at the Pride parades.

2. To the press, don’t spread rumors.

3. Everybody is a sinner. In matters of sin, ask for forgiveness, believe in God’s mercy, and change your ways.

None of this is new. Its just that when the word “gay” is in the discussion, people lose the listening/reading comprehension.


14 posted on 07/29/2013 5:50:17 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: SoFloFreeper
How can a man that has taken a vow of chastity even HAVE a sexual orientation?

How does someone even find OUT what a priest's sexual orientation IS ?

Uhhh .. s'cuse me father .. d'ya like girls .. or boys?

15 posted on 07/29/2013 5:51:20 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Biggirl
"Got to remember he is tired from a long trip. Take it with a grain of salt."

Did I say that ? .. Alfredo .. get me some more coffee ... and clear my calendar for a few hours .. I need a nap

16 posted on 07/29/2013 5:53:01 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SoFloFreeper; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Um, I am loathe to trust the media....so can someone find out what the Pope REALLY meant?

Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn't judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip...

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.

What is with it with Catholics that are always saying things that don't mean what is said but mean what the Church says it means? He said what he said.

Maybe the Catholic hierarchy needs lessons in how to communicate more clearly so they do not continually say things that need to be *interpreted* to be taken *correctly* and lay Catholics do not have to waste so much time in damage control trying to reconcile their comments and explain them away to non-Catholics, who can clearly understand what was plainly said.

He said what he said and it's in direct violation of the Scripture that Catholics claim the church wrote and has the only authority to interpret.

1 Corinthains 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you areto judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

17 posted on 07/29/2013 5:56:20 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked.

He will put away the sin when he finds the Lord. Or at least will try to do so.

18 posted on 07/29/2013 5:56:21 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: stanne

Exactly and this should be the view of all Christians regarding every kind of sin. We all born into sin, as Christians we should be striving every moment to resist it. We should not be redefining God in order to permit it. The same is true of those who are gay, it is no excuse to sin.

There is a giant lie being told in Christian circles and people who are not well grounded in scripture and tradition are falling for it. God is very clear about what is and is not permissable. There are many souls in danger.


19 posted on 07/29/2013 5:56:45 AM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: stanne

You have essentially spoken correctly. Unfortunately, those who remain ignorant of the Churches teachings, some quite intentionally, will use his words against him and the church. My curiosity is in wondering whether his having spoken in this manner and on this topic isn’t a sign that this Pope believes in his heart that the process of the end times has commenced.


20 posted on 07/29/2013 5:57:16 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: SoFloFreeper

NEVER trust the liberal media. They hear what they want to hear and report only what they want to report.

This is from a Lutheran perspective but it gives a pretty accurate depiction of how the liberal media thinks about conservative religions and the split between Rome and Protestantism-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87vo2jkmJUg


21 posted on 07/29/2013 5:57:29 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SoFloFreeper

The harlot that rides the beast...


22 posted on 07/29/2013 5:57:38 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
If the quote they have is accurate, he is correct. It is not for us to judge.

What other aberrant behavior is "not for us to judge"?

23 posted on 07/29/2013 5:59:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? This reads like something from a Roman Catholic version of the Onion. Yes I am an evangelical, yes I disagree with Roman Catholic teachings on some things, but yes I affirm they have at least been nominal believers, and yes I am personally grieved as a Christian if Francis really said something like this. Now I would not say that it’s impossible for such clergy to get their relationship right with Jesus Christ and be saved, for me to say that would be to sell the gospel short, but they are going to have to jettison their “gayness” in the process... it’s basic bible. And they shouldn’t be ministers until they get this problem under significant Holy Spirit control. Did I wake up in Bizarro World this morning???


24 posted on 07/29/2013 5:59:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Man, I think this is going to get a huge push back.


25 posted on 07/29/2013 6:01:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I am loathe to trust the media...
And well you should.
I channel surfed onto CNN this morning as they were going to a break. Their "teaser" for the upcoming segment was quoting the Pope as saying - "Who am I to judge gays?"
I was quite surprised until I eventually found out that the Pope actually said - "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"
Big difference!
26 posted on 07/29/2013 6:01:34 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DuncanWaring

We can never judge the destination of a person’s soul, we can always judge their actions. Most often, it is better to tend to the log in our own eye.


27 posted on 07/29/2013 6:02:21 AM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: SpirituTuo; All
None of this is new. Its just that when the word “gay” is in the discussion, people lose the listening/reading comprehension.

With all due respect, we should not be using the Satanists' word of choice for homosexual. It just tends to make us seem to legitimize it.

HOMOSEXUAL, because there's nothing GAY about it.

28 posted on 07/29/2013 6:03:47 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Of course we shouldn’t judge others. That doesn’t mean we should endorse their behavior or allow them into positions of authority over others.


29 posted on 07/29/2013 6:05:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ReformationFan

****I’m not Catholic but as I understand this unless the Pope changed the position of what the RCC teaches on celibacy and natural marriage, he still opposes homosexual(and all other non-marital) sexual relations.***

Consider it a Catholic Executive Order.

If this is true color me unsurprised. This is what the Catholics have stood for for a very long time and now he’s out of the closet.


30 posted on 07/29/2013 6:06:35 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: SoFloFreeper

It sounds like one remark from a long interview taken out of context and juxtaposed against a previous statement that homosexuals should not be priests that the Pope had not refuted.

The MSM is fixated on homosexuality and promoting homosexual activity particularly among young people.

That being said we should all be wary of the homosexual network among Catholic priests and pray they are removed from the church as soon as possible.


31 posted on 07/29/2013 6:06:37 AM PDT by detective
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To: oh8eleven

Well that’s not quite as bad, but really I wish such a prominent Christian personage as the Roman Catholic pope would not mince delicate words. If you are saved you will jettison this as well as all other sin on the way to glory, because Jesus Christ will have taken full control in your soul. Is the human-philosophy side of the Roman Catholic worship system about to come back to bite them? Didn’t they themselves have prophecies that Francis would be the final pope? Is this church about to split with half going a kind of fundamentalist Protestant and the other half going gay looey?


32 posted on 07/29/2013 6:07:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.

The Homosexual Agenda (TM) will still be angry with him, since he appeared to imply that homosexuality is a sin.

33 posted on 07/29/2013 6:13:17 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
yes I am personally grieved as a Christian if Francis really said something like this.

Said something like what? The headline?

Read the article and ask the question "What is not mentioned"? How about the definition of the word "judge" for starters?

The media messaging of "not judge" tries to float the idea that there must be some uncertainty, since the Pope chose not to condemn.

Merely a cheap trick, but it made us look, didn't it?

34 posted on 07/29/2013 6:14:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: detective

If someone has the pertinent passage from Francis’ comments and can show it, it would probably be very helpful in sussing out where this is going. Yes, to be the MSM means to distort, but also there is a side of the Roman Catholic system I can’t trust, and they simply don’t currently seem to be showing the gospel victory power that, say, Southern Baptists (just one example) do and the homo lobby has been very insidious. Someone who hasn’t achieved significant gospel conquest over the demonic hatred embodied in a buggery centered practice (sorry to be so explicit) ought not to be a pastor yet.


35 posted on 07/29/2013 6:16:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well that’s not quite as bad, but really I wish such a prominent Christian personage as the Roman Catholic pope would not mince delicate words
WTH are you talking about? Not "quite as bad" as what?
And I don't think the Pope minced any words. Period.
36 posted on 07/29/2013 6:16:36 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: knarf

“How can a man that has taken a vow of chastity even HAVE a sexual orientation?”

That’s kind of silly don’t you think? Did you think that one through?

I for one, knew well before I first had sex that I was attracted to girls. Probably by the age of eight or nine...


37 posted on 07/29/2013 6:17:03 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Biggirl

On the one hand that is how the Church has traditionally approached this (so long as you agree to remain celibate, why judge the orientation?)

On the other hand hundreds of millions in jury awards would seem to have taught us that this is a BAD IDEA!


38 posted on 07/29/2013 6:19:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: oh8eleven

Are you being disingenuous? You know very well... not quite as bad as some are making it out to be.

This might actually be a good sign, anyhow. Francis might be indicating that he does not want to stand in the way of gospel power, maybe he recognizes that too many human ipse dixits have compromised it and does not want to add to that.


39 posted on 07/29/2013 6:20:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Rich21IE

Eh, end times. The Catholic Church will not ever be obsessed with this as the Protestants are

We live we follow God’s will the best we can or like a saint and we die. The Church talks about death non stop but it will never care about how many people go at oncd we are all going to face judgment alone whether the world comes with us or not

So no the Pope is not talking about the end times

Every Freeper especially the many Catholic haters will do well to realize duh that the press hates the Church more than they do Conservatives


40 posted on 07/29/2013 6:20:19 AM PDT by stanne
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To: metmom; narses
Pope Francis: ‘Integrate gays into society’: A frank conversation with journalists on his flight back from Brazil.

by PHILIP PULLELLA
Published on the 29 July 2013
AFP

POPE Francis, in some of the most compassionate words from any pontiff on gays, said they should not be judged or marginalised and should be integrated into society, but he reaffirmed Church teaching that homosexual acts are a sin.

In a broad-ranging 80-minute conversation with journalists on the plane bringing him back from a week-long visit to Brazil, Francis also said the Roman Catholic Church’s ban on women priests was definitive, although he would like them to have more leadership roles in administration and pastoral activities.

Francis defended gays from discrimination in what was his first news conference since being elected pontiff in March, but also referred to the Catholic Church’s universal Catechism, which says that while homosexual orientation is not sinful, homosexual acts are.

“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?” the pope said.

“The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says they should not be marginalized because of this (orientation) but that they must be integrated into society,” he said, speaking in Italian.

“The problem is not having this orientation. We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem,” he said.

Francis was answering a question about reports of a “gay lobby” in the Vatican.

“You see a lot written about the gay lobby. I still have not seen anyone in the Vatican with an identity card saying they are gay,” he joked.

Addressing the issue of women priests, the pope said, “The Church has spoken and says ‘no’ … that door is closed.” It was the first time he had spoken in public on the subject.

“We cannot limit the role of women in the Church to altar girls or the president of a charity, there must be more …,” he said in answer to a question during a remarkably frank conversation with Vatican journalists.

“But with regards to the ordination of women, the Church has spoken and says no. Pope John Paul said so with a formula that was definitive. That door is closed,” he said referring to a document by the late pontiff which said the ban was part of the infallible teaching of the Church.

The Church teaches that it cannot ordain women because Jesus willingly chose only men as his apostles. Advocates of a female priesthood say he was acting according to the customs of his times.

Many in the Church, even those who oppose a female priesthood, say women should be given leadership roles in the Church and the Vatican administration.

41 posted on 07/29/2013 6:21:51 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: stanne

I’ve heard of Roman Catholic prophecies that there are only going to be so many popes... and Francis brings it up to that count.


42 posted on 07/29/2013 6:22:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; oh8eleven
I wish such a prominent Christian personage as the Roman Catholic pope would not mince delicate words

This. The current homosexualization of the West is greatest threat to the Church, and by extension western civilization, since the rise of Islam. A day nearly upon us when even in "Christian" countries believers will be given the choice of embracing homosexuality or suffering severe consequences. With the large Protestant churches already on the pink bandwagon or wavering, the Catholic church is the last and greatest bulwark of the faith against this assault. For the Pope to even appear to go soft is deeply troubling. No matter how he meant his remarks, we KNOW that the secular world will use them against the churches. The scripture tells us to be gentle as doves yet wise as serpents. The second clause of that commandment got lost in the wash this time.

43 posted on 07/29/2013 6:23:14 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The non-Catholic reader gets the impression we have a pro-homosexual socialist for pope.


44 posted on 07/29/2013 6:25:00 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The Tipline for Zimmerman's Inquisition is: Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov ... Use it.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Thank you.

Goodness ... even the leftists at AFP don't support the notion that +Francis is supporting faggotry.

45 posted on 07/29/2013 6:25:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: metmom
His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests.

Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.

These statements are juxtaposed as if they contradict each other. But they don't—because they are on different subjects. Both are true.

The first has always been church teaching, and I doubt that the Pope who referred to the homosexual "marriage" movement as inspired by the devil hopes to change this. He also described the "Gay Lobby" within the Vatican as demonic. He knows what he is up against.

The second statement is about sin and the sacrament of Confession. Yes, sins that are validly confessed and absolved are forgiven and forgotten. Not to say a priest wouldn't be reassigned, disciplined, or even laicized based on his behavior. Many have been, including heads of international religious orders.

Not to understand the distinction between forgiveness (which belongs to God, through the priest) and prudent hiring policies is typical of media types—who also don't want to understand. The same applies to some Protestants. It should be borne in mind that at least the Catholic Church has a central authority from whom coherent and consistent teaching is demanded.

46 posted on 07/29/2013 6:25:29 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: stanne
Maybe you missed the numerous posts about the Lutheran church, Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church etc... condoning homosexuality and the Freepers criticizing them.

I think Freepers just generally don't like when any individual or group supports or excuses things which they know to be wrong.

47 posted on 07/29/2013 6:25:34 AM PDT by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I agree it is not his place to judge but he can remove them to keep their open perversion from a leadership role in the church.


48 posted on 07/29/2013 6:25:48 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SoFloFreeper

re: -Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church’s position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual orientation was not.

“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?”

-His remarks on gay people are being seen as much more conciliatory than his predecessor’s position on the issue.

“The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well, it says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society.”

“The problem is not having this orientation,” he said. “We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem.”

Ok, I’ll say up-front that I am not Catholic, but so far I’ve appreciated Pope Francis’s strong stand on Christian doctrine and his living a consistent, Christ-like witness before the world.

I also know that the media can frame quotes in a way that does not say what the original speaker ever meant to say.

With all that in mind, and giving Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt, but, assuming these quotes are accurate, I’m very confused as to what he means by, “. . .they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society”?

And, “. . .The problem is not having this orientation, we must be brothers”?

When he says “who am I to judge” in regard to gays, I understand that he may be talking about “judging” in the sense of condemning someone to hell and how that is NOT our concern - only God knows the hearts of people well enough to make that kind of judgement. But, if Pope Francis is simply saying that we cannot “judge” others acts as being wrong or right - THAT is a misunderstanding of Jesus’ words that we are not to judge.

Anyway, I pray that Pope Francis is not equivocating on the clear teachings of the Bible in regard to homosexuality.


49 posted on 07/29/2013 6:26:37 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?” the pope said.

Such talk bugs me... why is this pope using the misleading name created by these grim buggerers who rejoice in iniquity? Or are they altering this pope's words (shame on the media then)?

50 posted on 07/29/2013 6:27:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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