Skip to comments.Egypt braced for showdown between army supporters and Muslim Brotherhood - live updates
Posted on 07/26/2013 5:51:31 AM PDT by don-o
Pro-military demonstration scheduled for later Judge orders detention of Morsi over Hamas links
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Morsi has neither been seen or heard since July 3. He is already an icon and martyr to the Islamists. If he died resisting the coup, there will be chaos. If his first words when seen are to denounce the coup and a call to his followers for “justice”, there will be chaos and mayhem. Can’t see how this will turn out good for Egypt. Egypt is already destitute. Widespread violence will make it prostate. The Arab donors will not subsidize it for long. Soon there will be hordes of impoverished but still fervent refugees pouring into the lands formerly known as Christendom.
Yea and if it even remotely appears that a real democratic state begins to emerge, Obama will withdraw US funding before the water boils.
They should terminate the MB, their followers, and their supporters, with extreme prejudice.
Ouch. (Spelling police).
As you pointed out on the other thread, the urban / rural divide is very significant. There is more to Egypt that Cairo and Alexandria.
And, furthermore, I have serious doubts that any country with a large Muslim population can ever exist under anything other some form of despotism.
The basis for liberty is just not there.
>>>Yea and if it even remotely appears that a real democratic state begins to emerge, Obama will withdraw US funding before the water boils.....
check this out
Most rational people devoutly wish that the Moslem Brotherhood,the Wahabbi, the Taliban and all of the adherents of political Islam would disappear forever. However the political reality is that the population they represent is probably a majority and will not change anytime soon. In Egypt the majority is rural, poorly educated, impoverished and Islamic. America tends to view Egypt through the lens of the media which centers on urban Western oriented secularists. Unfortunately most of the Islamic world does not share Western values. They do however demand modern goods and to be well fed.
Then they've got a choice to make, and consequences to live with.
The greatest strategic error the US has made in the last fifteen years whether it be in Iraq, Afghanistan,Syria or soon Iran is that we can change political and social realities at the point of a bayonet. The recent jail break in Iraq where 500 al Queda terrorists that cost the live of many young brave Americans to capture underscores the futility of American entanglement in the internal affairs of these countries. Nation building is the silly fantasy of on sabbatical academics sitting in air conditioned Washington offices. The reality is that they, if they have oil, are forced to sell it to anyone with hard currency or they will wither and starve. There will never again be a 1973 effective OPEC boycott. The US should disengage from direct involvement in the Mideast. Our policies simply do not benefit the American people and actually destabilize the region over the long term.
From Source article:
I’ve just received this dispatch from Patrick Kingsley in Cairo.
Millions are expected on Egypt’s streets later this afternoon, but Tahrir Square the centre of anti-Morsi and pro-army sentiment in recent weeks is only just starting to fill up.
It already has the feel of a military pageant. There are perhaps 5,000 already there, many wearing photographs of General Abdel Fatah al-Sisi the army chief who forced Morsi from office following mass protests on 30 June around their necks. Every 10 minutes, military helicopters fly over head to loud cheers from the crowd. Smiling protesters have their photos taken with the soldiers who are securing the entrances to the square, some of them sitting on large armoured personnel carriers.
The Western oriented secularists, with whom Americans rightly identify with, have placed their future well being and that of Egypt on the ability of the Army to suppress and control the worst elements of political Islam. Historically this strategy rarely works. The tragedy is that Morsi, unseen and unheard since July 3, has become an icon and martyr that will inspire the political Islamist throughout the world for a very long time. Sorry to say but the future in Egypt is not one of peace and prosperity.
Your posts are ignorant. The opposite is happening, instead.
Egypt is peaceful even as millions protest and rally...and the MB has lost face by starving its poor supporters.
Agreed, however, Egypt is a strange step-child of Islam. They have been somewhat more successful than the ME Muslim countries and it appears through this latest coup, they still want to be. They are losing their tourism base, and many are seeing it with Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood. I believe most Egyptians do not want strict Islamists to rule. They have had a long taste of western economics through tourism and are losing their livelihoods.
Of course, Obama and Hillary were as usual on the wrong side. My prediction: The military coup installs a moderate Islamist or even a secular government that will bring Egypt back into the modern world.
I agree with you...
Morsi was a puppet like the Ptolemy pharaohs.
All those billions in IMF loans proved it to them.
“Behold, I am Set, the creator of confusion, who creates both the tempest and the storm throughout the length and breadth of the heavens.”
Naville, Edouard, trans. Egyptian Book of the Dead of the XVIII to XX Dynasties, Berlin, 1886.
We shall see.
This is unreal. I just got online..all hell is breaking loose.
Egypt clashes: at least 130 Mohamed Morsi supporters killed in Cairo liveLiveTurmoil that has convulsed Egypt for weeks deepens as security forces shoot dead more than 130 Muslim Brotherhood supporters before pre-dawn prayers near Cairo’s Rabaa al-Adawia mosque
I don't know what to say about "live thread". There is still the one with all the picture mostly that folks are posting to. I started this one for sharing of actual info about events as they unfolded. It did not seem to go much of anywhere.
This is not true...I heard the minister of interior’s press conference.
The MB attacked the police that was far away from Rabaa and opened fire on the police!
The communist Islamist guardian chose the big lie, the sensational headlines to serve their agenda! They also wrote:
“The minister for the interior said that only 21 people were killed and none by the security forces. He also warned that the Muslim Brotherhood protesters would be cleared from the streets when the time was right.”
So, which is it commies?
Thanks so much..am over on that thread now...
Mommy, if the only people being killed are MBers, then that is controlled, not chaos...not all hell breaking loose...
Just positive change.
You’re very welcome and hope you’re feeling better!
TSK...TSK...TSK...I asked you then to have someone let us know that you were OK, but not to be. -:)
Glad it’s over.
LOL..sorry. Spinal surgery apparently takes a long time to recover from..won’t be back to work til late Aug early Sept.
And yes- feeling better thanks:)
My goodness Mom; I didn’t know. Am glad you are better. Lord, please help me to keep up ... Amen.