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1 posted on 07/25/2013 5:30:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I never see anybody mention wind degradation. The laws of thermodynamics always apply. You can’t get something for nothing.

Maybe by altering wind patterns or sapping the strength from the wind we’ll inadvertently cause localized weather catastrophes which progress into regional then continental and finally world wide.

Wind is not an infinite resource.


2 posted on 07/25/2013 5:40:24 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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Another bad idea from the enviro-nazis. Wind turbines are inefficient, have to be heavily subsidized, kill too many birds and are apparently bad for our health.


3 posted on 07/25/2013 5:41:36 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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The whole notion is a scam, heavily supported by taxpayers and based on a feel-good premise promoted by the Left.

We have hundreds, if not thousands of these things in my neck of the woods. Around here, it is just a way for landowners to get long-term lease payments on ground that is non-arable and non-grazeable.

It's kind of like the CRP program where the taxpayers pay "farmers" of marginal cropland to not even attempt to grow anything.

4 posted on 07/25/2013 5:42:30 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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If they demonstrate that somehow wind turbines in or near the ocean adversely affect whales, they will be dismantled very quickly.


6 posted on 07/25/2013 5:55:39 PM PDT by allendale
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Dirty little secrets about wind turbines the Environuts don't want people to know:

1. Wind turbines require at least 90% backup from another power source (coal, LNG, or nuclear power plant).
2. Wind turbines are huge maintenance pigs. They must be serviced every 90 to 120 days to inspect them, tighten connections, top off hydraulic fluid, clean up leaking fluids.
3. Wind turbines last only 20 to 25 years before replacement is needed.
4. Wind turbine farms are huge threats to migrating birds.
5. Wind turbines give off low frequency sounds that are bothersome, even harmful to humans over time.
6. Wind turbines do not provide reliable power to the grid because wind does not blow at a consistent velocity 24/7/365. Turbines operate within a restrictive band to assure that quality power is exported to the power grid. If the wind is too low, you get undervoltage. If too high you get overvoltage. Neither can be used by the grid.
7. Wind turbines are very expensive and require taxpayer subsidies to operate. They are not competitive with current power options.

11 posted on 07/25/2013 6:07:45 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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Have the Dutch ever suffered such afflictions from hundreds of years of living with windmills? Does Don Quixote know about this?

LLS

13 posted on 07/25/2013 6:11:19 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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take away their federal Production Tax Credit and watch how fast they are all sold for scrap.


18 posted on 07/25/2013 6:23:05 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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A research paper prepared in November 1987...

Oh come on, the wind energy haters have to dig back 26 years to justify their existence?! Yeah, wind turbines back then were actually lousy!

So were cellphones and PCs back in '87! Travelling from LA to Japan sucked too, I always had to stop in Hawaii. Does that mean it's all still lousy today?

Pathetic...

21 posted on 07/25/2013 6:27:38 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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I’ve lived in an area targeted for wind farming. A few tidbits I noticed:

The sales crew knows what they’re doing, which include knowing that their opposition doesn’t.
The sales crew’s job is to sell the product, first to the neighborhood, then to the next batch of investors. They have zero interest in long term issues. They’re like a startup business focused entirely on doing just enough to sell the company.
The sales crew will say nothing to direct questions of infrasound, shadows, or long term ownership. Red flags.
The expected lifespan of a wind farm is 25 years. If you’re not over age 40, you have no idea how short a time that is and how you’re going to have to deal with it.
Nobody has any incentive for major maintenance, much less removal, when that time is up for the bulk of the turbines. What happens to dozens of huge heavy towers nobody wants?
Some percentage of turbines will self destruct (like the lead photo shows). There’s no interest in repairing it if they can at all get away with just abandoning it.
Shadows are really disturbing. If the shadow crosses your path, it will get to you fast.
Nobody considers that the towers will likely be built on someone else’s property, nor how it impacts the community.
The moment the subject of wind farms arises as a real possibility in the area, the neighborhood starts getting torn apart: some will be approached to rent land for the turbines, a tantalizing financial opportunity for the landowner vs the neighbors having to put up with it with no compensation. Rumors will abound, tempers will flare, accusations will hurt.


25 posted on 07/25/2013 6:35:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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30 posted on 07/25/2013 7:10:41 PM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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I believe it to likely be true. The human Vestibular System includes the human skull. There are certain frequencies in the audible and non audible low frequency range which no hearing protection can stop.

Can sounds cause anxiety in some people? Yes even to the point of seizure activity and disability. For some people even what most persons consider normal noises at normal levels can do this. Vestibular Triggered Anxiety is a common cause of Panic Attacks even though the person may not be aware of it.

I've done a lot of reading and I have a lot of person experience in this type of problem. This is something that should have been considered before the huge investment was made and a possible work around made or locating them about 4-5 miles away from places people live or work.

I'll show you what I mean. We all know about the cars with Sub Woofers. You hear the Bass and you fell it. Stopping up your ears doesn't help as it penetrates the skull as can some higher frequencies. You can't shut the noise out.

This may not bother all people. It may bother some just slightly. It may make some persons lives a torment being around noises that trigger anxiety that they can not escape. I am such a person but I learned to control what I hear and exposure limits to offending sounds.

33 posted on 07/25/2013 7:41:38 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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I’m against energy subsidies and other socialist waste, but that’s just funny.

Wind farm illness: Waubra Disease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYnNQoTcsHY

Acoustic Vibration Disease Hat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El2vVl5Figk

Environmentalists are against Wind power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pODvhqSfyeM

Wind turbine syndrome news report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRCekFYWsPo

Wind Nimby Spanking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLHOydx2RTA

Wind Nimby Rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurAbrMHu2k

John Stossel Wind Power and NIMBY
[Environmentalists against wind turbines.]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo2rMj8KVtQ


34 posted on 07/25/2013 8:07:40 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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My favorite horror story about wind turbines comes from Germany where the “Greenies” have gotten the German government to heavily invest in wind farms. Some years ago a storm front blew into Germany from the North Sea with winds approaching hurricane velocity. The wind turbines got to spinning so fast they were dumping too much voltage into the power grid.

Just like most power systems worldwide, the German power grid is monitored by very sophisticated computers. The computer software detected the overvoltage condition and immediately went into Protection Mode. In this case, protection mode means isolation of the overvoltage areas by means of electrical load shedding. The software issued orders to open the necessary line contactors to cutoff the sources of the voltage.

Isolating the affected areas was need to protect the rest of the power grid and prevent a cascading failure that could wipe out the whole power grid. The affected isolated areas composed of nearly 1/3 of Germany. It took three to five days to restore 100% power in the affected areas due to overvoltage damage in those areas.

36 posted on 07/25/2013 10:28:32 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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