[FreeReign]

I would bet that the sun won't rise in the morning. I would bet that the sun will rise in the west. I would bet that maybe socialism will work this time before I would bet that the Republicans won't cave again. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the law of gravity could be repealed before I would bet that the Republicans won't cave again. Been burned too many times to be fooled with that one again.

Wow. Your post is super ultra defeatist. Probably the most defeatist I've seen yet (and I've seen a bunch).

You get the medal.

Congratulations.

[Liz]

(Brilliant Neurosurgeon) Dr. Ben Carson: 'This Is the Beginning of the Collapse' of Obamacare
NEWSMAX ^ | 16 Jul 2013 | Greg Richter / FR Posted by george76

Delaying implementation of key parts of the healthcare law and losing the support of labor unions are just the beginning of trouble for Obamacare, says Dr. Ben Carson. "It's gonna be a lot worse than this. This is the beginning of the collapse," the retired Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon said on Fox News Channel's "Your World" on Tuesday. "Usually when you roll out a big program, you roll it out bit by bit. You determine what's working. You can change things," Carson said. "But to try to roll out something this massive without really knowing what the intricacies are is quite foolish." (Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...

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Only the deranged twisted mind of a progressive could have dreamed up the h'care mess.

As FReeper Lou L wrote: Shows the mess Ohaha created, and why the WH apparatchiks cannot make it work more than three years after its passage.

Each "box" represents huge organizational beauracracies with people stumbling over themselves; each "arrow" represents hundreds and thousands of information requests and transfers. Those interfaces will have some common calls, but they'll have to be customized to fit each carrier's system and customizations. It seems as though a lot is being left off the "health plan" -- all the costs, all the restrictions, have to be passed along as well.

The thousands of "Navigators"---govt-issue clerks--will offer you "guidance/" And that online calculator...does it tell you how much you're being soaked now, rather than before the saving grace of O'care?=======================================================

Amazingly the lower Rube Goldberg chart is supposed to "simplify and explain" O'care......designed by a consultant group paid to assist in the process of getting states to create exchanges (the ones that interface with 60,000 IRS agents, the strongarm HHS, and an assortment of know-nothing snoopy federal agencies).

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Thank you. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words do not hurt me.

Deconstruct the argument that the Republicans have not caved to the Democrats when it mattered. Post facts as to where and when they stood up to the Democrats on issues and sent them running off with their tail between their legs. Cite chapter and verse. Name calling won' get you anywhere with me.

Just for your edification here is one example: Bill Clinton was President. Congress passed a bill forbidding partial birth abortion. Clinton vetoed it. The Senate overrode his veto and sent it to the House. It came down to one vote as to whether Clinton's veto would be sustained or overrode. A Republican cast the deciding vote to sustain it. That was one of many.

[Bubba_Leroy]

Wow. Your post is super ultra defeatist. Probably the most defeatist I've seen yet (and I've seen a bunch).

It is not defeatist. It is realistic.

Do you remember the "government shut down" in the 1990s? The entire media went into blame Republicans mode. After a couple of days, the Republicans caved.

Now give me an example of when the Republicans have threatened to cut spending and not caved? Obama's sequester does not count. The only "cut" was a very slight decrease in the planned increase in spending. When slightly decreasing the planned rate of increase of spending counts as a cut, we are doomed.

[Fishtalk]

I totally agree with him.

[Girlene]

From the article:

.............Congress in recent years has regularly passed stopgap spending measures known as “continuing resolutions” to keep the federal government running beyond the end of the fiscal year. This has been necessary because lawmakers now routinely fail to finish their appropriations work by the Sept. 30 deadline. This year, the expiration of laws appropriating government funding coincides with the start of open enrollment for healthcare exchanges set up by the Affordable Care Act.

"An aide to Lee said Republicans won’t be blamed for a shutdown because they will offer legislation to fund all other government operations except for those necessary to establish the new healthcare law.

“This is going to be the litmus test of whether you do or do not support ObamaCare,” said Brian Phillips, Lee’s spokesman."..................

I say let's do it!