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CDC: Armed Victims Less Likely to be Harmed by Attackers
Newsmax ^ | Jul 20, 2013 | Greg Richter

Posted on 07/21/2013 7:26:46 AM PDT by KeyLargo

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1 posted on 07/21/2013 7:26:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Using a 911 call is just too late for many.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 7:28:38 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: SIRTRIS

3 posted on 07/21/2013 7:30:25 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

How would an attacker know you were armed unless you pulled your weapon? In some states that would considered “brandishing” a weapon and the perceived attacker could stop and call the cops on you for doing that. Then you’d be the one arrested. I guess you have to be actually attacked first (i.e. Zimmerman) before you could “brandish” your weapon. Anyway, just saying.


4 posted on 07/21/2013 7:32:35 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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5 posted on 07/21/2013 7:33:41 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Feminism is all about being a victim. being an armed woman is all about not being a victim. I simply can’t believe it takes 10 million dollars of the taxpayers money to figure this out.


6 posted on 07/21/2013 7:34:46 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: SkyDancer

There is one major rule for weapons.

Never pull one unless you have the courage and intent to use it.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 7:35:10 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SIRTRIS

8 posted on 07/21/2013 7:35:11 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Sure, according to that picture yeah, you rightfully can. But suppose it’s all rhetoric. Suppose he had no weapon in his hand but is in your face threatening you?


9 posted on 07/21/2013 7:35:53 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: KeyLargo

10 million to come to that conclusion? Good Lord!


10 posted on 07/21/2013 7:37:19 AM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: Venturer

As I mentioned. Perp has no weapon in their hand but is in your face threatening you on what they will do. They can call the cops on you saying you brandished a weapon in their face and they didn’t do anything. Your word against theirs.


11 posted on 07/21/2013 7:37:47 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: jmacusa

12 posted on 07/21/2013 7:38:19 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Mugger’s last words:

“P***y, I ain’t afraid of your m*****f****ing gun!!!”


13 posted on 07/21/2013 7:38:22 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: KeyLargo

bull folin sh8t


14 posted on 07/21/2013 7:38:47 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: KeyLargo

oops! so sorry read it wrong and thought it said less likely to be harmed if unarmed, my bad

That is what we all were taught however, to go along with the perp and cooperate because then he wouldn’t hurt us which is a bunch of wrong


15 posted on 07/21/2013 7:41:26 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SkyDancer

“How would an attacker know you were armed unless you pulled your weapon? In some states that would considered “brandishing” a weapon and the perceived attacker could stop and call the cops on you for doing that. Then you’d be the one arrested. I guess you have to be actually attacked first (i.e. Zimmerman) before you could “brandish” your weapon. Anyway, just saying.”

Your still better off that getting attacked. And besides, it’s the threat of bodily harm that triggers self defense... It’s what the victim perceives.


16 posted on 07/21/2013 7:42:21 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: SkyDancer

There’s a youtube security vid of a robber threatening a cashier & thrusting his coat pocket at her. He turns for a moment & she grabs a gun and shoots him.

He goes down and when the police arrive he screams “I ain’t got nothing! I ain’t got nothing!”

Since the vid showed that the cashier believed she was threatened with deadly force, she was not charged.


17 posted on 07/21/2013 7:45:03 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: SkyDancer

A situation like that would be investigated. If it is one person’s word against another, there usually is no prosecution - reasonable doubt.

If you live in a state where the DAs hate guns, move - or work to change the state’s politics. If it is NY or Conn...just move.


18 posted on 07/21/2013 7:45:25 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: SkyDancer

As I said if it is bad enough to pull the weapon, shoot the miscreant, let him tell his side to the undertaker.


19 posted on 07/21/2013 7:47:09 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: babygene

A friend of my dad who works as a tow truck driver was setting up to tow a car. Owner came up and was threatening him with bodily harm. My dad’s friend pulled his gun and told the guy to back off. The guy went to the cops and the tow truck driver was arrested for brandishing a weapon. This is in Seattle.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 7:47:27 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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“How would an attacker know you were armed unless you pulled your weapon? In some states that would considered “brandishing” a weapon and the perceived attacker could stop and call the cops on you for doing that. Then you’d be the one arrested. I guess you have to be actually attacked first (i.e. Zimmerman) before you could “brandish” your weapon. Anyway, just saying.”

Two ways. In Arizona we passed a “Defensive Display” law that says you can display your firearm to let a potential attacker know that you are armed, and you cannot be charged with a crime for that. We pushed for it because criminals who were thwarted in their attacks were calling the police and claiming that they were the one’s assaulted.

The second way is to openly carry a firearm. It is legal in some way or another in 44 states, I believe. Arkansas has a new law that decriminalizes open carry, but it is just going into effect, and Democrats are fighting it.

http://my.opencarry.org/?page_id=103


21 posted on 07/21/2013 7:52:16 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: SkyDancer

Read your state laws.

If a person is in fear of “great bodily harm” from an attacker they are justified in using deadly force to prevent that. Most state statues read such as this example:

“Great bodily harm” means bodily injury which creates a probability of death, or which causes significant serious permanent disfigurement, or which causes a significant permanent loss or impairment of the function of any bodily part or organ;

Great Bodily Harm”

“The term `great bodily harm’ as used in statute stating when an assault and battery becomes aggravated, is not susceptible of precise definition, but implies an injury of a graver and more serious character than ordinary battery. Herrington v. State, 352 P.2d 931, 933 (Okla. Cir.).”(15)

“Great bodily harm” means bodily injury which creates a substantial risk of death, or which causes serious permanent disfigurement, or which causes a permanent or protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ or other serious bodily injury.”(16)

See:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.selfdefense.laws/


22 posted on 07/21/2013 7:54:11 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SkyDancer

My protection of myself and my loved ones is paramount to the survival of my way of life. Low life bottom feeders who threaten and terrify deserve to be shot.

Travon’s testimony in the Zimmerman case was exactly as persuasive as it should have been.


23 posted on 07/21/2013 7:56:09 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: KeyLargo

Down the memory hole it goes never to be heard from again.


24 posted on 07/21/2013 8:01:06 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Delta 21

Maybe some of these Chicago murder victims should have read Obama’s report.

“A $10 million government report on gun violence ordered by President Barack Obama has concluded that people who are armed are less likely to be harmed by their attackers.”

4 dead, 9 wounded in Chicago city shootings

By Peter Nickeas and Liam Ford Tribune reporters

8:26 a.m. CDT, July 21, 2013

Shootings left at least four men dead and 9 other people wounded across the Saturday night and Sunday morning.

The violence was largely confined to the South and West Sides and three of the incidents had more than one victim, according to authorities.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-july-20-to-21-20130720,0,110934.story


25 posted on 07/21/2013 8:06:39 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Ping for reference


26 posted on 07/21/2013 8:07:51 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: SIRTRIS

Ask any cop and you will be told that when you are in imminent danger you have to defend yourself. Calling 911 is for after the fact.


27 posted on 07/21/2013 8:10:58 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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Update of Obama’s ‘Murder Town’ numbers this weekend:

6 dead, 17 wounded in shootings since Friday night
9:43AM Sunday
July 21, 2013

http://www.wlsam.com/common/page.php?feed=11&pt=6+dead%2C+17+wounded+in+shootings+since+Friday+night&id=55153&is_corp=0


28 posted on 07/21/2013 8:11:29 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

It was up to the cops who arrested him to know their state laws on displaying/brandishing a weapon.


29 posted on 07/21/2013 8:12:35 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: KeyLargo

Amen to that!


30 posted on 07/21/2013 8:13:36 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: KeyLargo
Well there you have it.

initially I was skeptical of the concept of the CDC doing applying epidemiology to gun ownership.

Now it all makes sense

I guess from the CDCs perspective, one can conclude that carrying a firearm is analogous to being vaccinated.

The main difference is carrying a gun protects you from plague of a different sort.

31 posted on 07/21/2013 8:19:52 AM PDT by rdcbn
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"The document — "Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence" — reports "studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies."

Via Newsmax.

32 posted on 07/21/2013 8:20:36 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Stand your ground: Who benefits most? The answer might surprise you.

July 21, 2013

Marissa Alexander.

(Daily Caller) – African Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African Americans.

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

But that doesn’t stop the race baiters, bigots, black supremacists and other idiots from self-identifying with their ignorant remarks:

Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=8456


33 posted on 07/21/2013 8:26:10 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SkyDancer

One does not need a weapon to be a threat. Concealed carry laws aren’t just for us to defend ourselves against gun-toting bad guys. Look at St. Skittles. His hands were deadly weapons. Then there’s always this: I’d rather be judged by 12 then carried by six.


34 posted on 07/21/2013 8:30:28 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: KeyLargo

Arm everyone, even nutcases and felons and I guarantee you
in one generation this will be a very polite society.


35 posted on 07/21/2013 8:33:15 AM PDT by Slambat
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I’m surprised they released the results.


36 posted on 07/21/2013 8:46:51 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: KeyLargo

Can I get a Duh!


37 posted on 07/21/2013 8:47:41 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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“If it saves even one life” Right?


38 posted on 07/21/2013 8:50:33 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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39 posted on 07/21/2013 8:54:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: KeyLargo
A $10 million government report on gun violence ordered by President Barack Obama has concluded that people who are armed are less likely to be harmed by their attackers.

I would have only charged the government $5 million to tell them this. The tax payers would have saved $5 million. -:)

40 posted on 07/21/2013 8:55:33 AM PDT by Mark17 (This creepy a$$ cracker is leaving for the Philippines)
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Donate



41 posted on 07/21/2013 9:05:27 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: KeyLargo

No kidding?


42 posted on 07/21/2013 9:06:34 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: babygene
Brandishing. Yeah. I've done that. It instantly cooled down the situation.
43 posted on 07/21/2013 9:09:09 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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mark


44 posted on 07/21/2013 9:10:33 AM PDT by Dedbone
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To: yldstrk
That is what we all were taught however, to go along with the perp and cooperate because then he wouldn’t hurt us which is a bunch of wrong

They taught us the same thing about airplane hijackers before 9/11/01.

45 posted on 07/21/2013 9:11:52 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: KeyLargo

Oops!!

Got a hate it when the absolute reverse happens.


46 posted on 07/21/2013 9:12:52 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: rdcbn
I guess from the CDCs perspective, one can conclude that carrying a firearm is analogous to being vaccinated.

+1

47 posted on 07/21/2013 9:13:55 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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yldstrk ~ That is what we all were taught however, to go along with the perp and cooperate because then he wouldn’t hurt us which is a bunch of wrong

Maceman ~ They taught us the same thing about airplane hijackers before 9/11/01.

Armed Pax photo 911guns.jpg

48 posted on 07/21/2013 9:17:42 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: KeyLargo

Obama: “Hmmm, ‘Armed Victims Less Likely To Be Harmed By Attackers.’
Make no mistake about it, we can make lemonaide from this lemon.
Re-title it and release as ‘Racist Vigilantes More Likely To Harm Helpless Black Children.’
I have spoke. Let it be writ. Let it be done.”
His Royale Majesty, Brack I


49 posted on 07/21/2013 10:04:32 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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The situation is that armed people don’t LOOK
like victims. They have situational awareness,
their posture is erect and alert.
Predaters are not going to pick them as prey.

Those people who are obviously not in the right
neighborhood, who are afraid to look around,
who walk stareing at their feet, dress differently,
wearing expensive clothes and shoes, these are
the easy fat of the flock ready to be picked off.

I was honored to be the friend of the Deputy Chief of
Police in Atlanta and when out with him, he would
point them out to me and after a while it was no
problem figuring out who was a potential victim.


50 posted on 07/21/2013 10:15:59 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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