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1 posted on 07/19/2013 11:06:57 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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Normally I would agree with VP Cheney on more things than I’d disagree. But here... I think Cheney should talk to Jim Sensenbrenner, who, after all, was largely responsible for the writing of the original Patriot Act, and who has repeatedly said the NSA surveillance has gotten way out of hand / beyond what was ever intended.

Relevant article here:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sensenbrenner-nsa-surveillance-congress/2013/07/18/id/515794


2 posted on 07/19/2013 11:24:23 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: WilliamIII; no-to-illegals; All

I wonder if the Boston bombers might have been stopped if NSA were not hyper-overloaded with data because of their data collection methods?


3 posted on 07/19/2013 11:46:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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>> “It wasn’t that they couldn’t get a warrant, nobody asked for a warrant,” Paul added.

No mention of Gorelic’s (sp) wall.

It not terrorism, politics killed 3000 Americans, not agency negligence.

When the Congressional brawls breakout, we’ll know progress is being made. Until then, it’s all kabuki theater.


4 posted on 07/20/2013 1:03:32 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: WilliamIII

I really hate seeing infighting like this between decent guys. No wonder the punk POTUS has us on the run.


5 posted on 07/20/2013 1:06:52 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: WilliamIII

Rand is right, when do you see anyone in the Government actually pay a price for failure?


7 posted on 07/20/2013 2:00:12 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: WilliamIII
Well, I suppose, except Bush had only been in office for nine months before the attack, not much time to undo twelve years of damage since Reagan.

Could Bush have been better prepared? Maybe.

Was our intelligence community in shambles? Yes. Why?

Not because of Dubya, but becasue of the previous eight years of neglect, mismanagement, and double-minded hand wringing. Clinton and the Leftists brought on 9/11 because, as always, the Left's lack of purpose and conviction emboldened our enemies.

In usual Leftist fashion, Clinton failed to act in our defense when action was called for. Multiple times when the U.S. was attacked by al-Qaeda Clinton instead did nothing, sending out a message of weakness. Clinton DID act however, also in Leftist fashion, to weaken our own defenses by crippling our intelligence community and putting artificial barriers to prevent communication between the FBI and the CIA.

The story of 9/11 was a story of CLINTON's utter failure of intelligence and proper response to threats and attacks. Al-Qaeda just didn't realize that the new guy in the WH wasn't going to not do anything. Bush's unequivocal and swift response took al-Qaeda by complete surprise.

28 posted on 07/20/2013 5:03:51 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: WilliamIII
In the meantime, the media is already wanting exploit dissension in the ranks of the Right. I'm sure they don't like (afraid of?) Paul Rand and are already working to see what they can do to weaken his prospects. Rand (and Cheney for that matter) would be wise to moderate their comments to the MSM and work things out among themselves behind closed doors.

Having said that, I like Paul Rand's forthrightness - and he seems much more balanced when it comes to defense and foreign policy than his dad, who came across as a loony tune about this stuff.

29 posted on 07/20/2013 5:16:42 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: WilliamIII
I really hate to have to do this to the VP but here goes..

Dick Cheney to the people of the US, " We have to bug your granny's phone, your daughter's phone, your phone and your wife's phone...just in case you might be a terrorist. Then, and only then, we will allow you to blow up Boston at your discretion."

32 posted on 07/20/2013 5:53:47 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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Dick Cheney is a good guy, but the government has violated the trust of the people way too many times, and it looks hell-bent taking it a few steps further. I DO NOT AND WILL NOT PLACE MY FULL TRUST IN THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!


36 posted on 07/20/2013 6:19:18 AM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: WilliamIII
Cheney told the Fox News Sunday host that Paul was incorrect in his criticisms of the NSA’s communications monitoring programs. The former vice president said that Congress authorized the post-9/11 counterterror programs and there is nothing illegal about them.

Oh and Congress has NEVER written an unconstitutional law either. /s

I used to respect you Mr. Cheney. When it comes to dealing with terrorists, the Second Amendment militia is the correct strategic direction with which to round those people up and get them out of this country. You just don't get it.

44 posted on 07/20/2013 8:09:39 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party, advancing indentured constituency for 150 years.)
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To: WilliamIII
Rand Paul will run into the same brick wall that frustrated his dad.

Ted Cruz - 2016.

45 posted on 07/20/2013 8:12:02 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: WilliamIII
Everyone of the 911 terrorists was in the US illegally. They were all Saudis. The curtailment of the freedoms of US citizens and the overseas wars were not a logical response to what happened.

I'm liking Rand Paul more everyday. Liz Cheney running for that US Senate seat might have a real good unintended consequence. Maybe those in the US Senate and HOR who want to change the Republican Party will give up on compromising with the 'pubs who represent the globalist ptb.

49 posted on 07/20/2013 8:31:58 AM PDT by grania
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To: WilliamIII

Dick Cheney is wrong.


51 posted on 07/20/2013 8:42:31 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: WilliamIII

Go, Rand :D

The expansion of government didn’t just suddenly happen under Obama. It’s been a long battle and small-government conservatism is losing.


54 posted on 07/20/2013 8:54:32 AM PDT by dontgivein
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To: WilliamIII

nobody was sacked for the manifest incompetence that allowed 9/11 to happen. That is indefensible, regardless of what ill-reasoned crap Rand Paul said about us arming the Afghans. The biggest ever (known) breakdown of our intelligence community happened, and nobody got fired.

I appreciate Dick Cheney’s efforts on behalf of this country, and his willingness to criticize Obama, but he’s never seen a domestic spying program that he didn’t like, and he supports and advocates for gay marriage. His daughter needs to run against a Democrat, instead of against a fairly solid conservative. At least that way we don’t get a -1 on the gay marriage issue if she wins.


57 posted on 07/20/2013 9:51:59 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: WilliamIII

Sandy Berger should have been first followed by many others.


62 posted on 07/20/2013 10:04:27 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: WilliamIII

Rand Paul is jumping the shark here. He is fully aware of Jamie Gorelick’s role in building the wall between the FBI and the CIA in order to protect Clinton from “China-gate” (and other) scandals. Bush and Cheney had been in office for less than 9 months at the time, and the disinfecting of the White House took more Pine Sol than was available on the planet.

I am rapidly losing respect for the tiny little Rand Paul.
Going after Cheney is not the way to advance yourself with conservatives. And blaming Cheney for 9/11 failures is pathetic.


73 posted on 07/20/2013 11:03:50 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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OK, Rand, you’re down to the minors again in my estimation.


74 posted on 07/20/2013 11:27:32 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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"‘let’s look at this guy’s computer.’"

So Rand Paul wants the FBI seizing individuals' computers, when they are not suspected of a crime? That's a switch.

75 posted on 07/20/2013 11:30:23 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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