Russian Navy to get unprecedented number of warships in 2013

panarmenian.net ^ | July 7, 2013 | panarmenian

[Berlin_Freeper]

The Russian Navy will receive 36 warships in 2013, an unprecedented number in Russia’s history, Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Vice Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov said on Sunday, July 7, according to RIA Novosti.

“During this year, 36 combat ships, fast attack crafts and support vessels will join the Russian Navy. This has never happened before,” Fedotenkov said at the International Maritime Defense Show in St. Petersburg.

Russian Navy warships are now performing missions in all areas of the World Ocean, with over 60 combat ships currently at sea, he said.

[RC one]

yeah, but can their sailors sodomize one another in a consequence free environment? Didn’t think so.

[Netz]

Pearl Harbor II?

Reminds me of 1920-1941 America.

Hostile nations build, invest, develop, US downsizes...

In 1989 while the Peaceniks were dancing around the crumbled Berlin wall, I was telling folks, “don’t jump for joy just yet”. The Russian bear is injured, but not down...

[RginTN]

Thinking of Red Dawn...the original not that crappy remake.

I say the Regime is making the US target rich for the taking.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Russia has a long way to go in getting their navy up to speed. They need to scrap a lot of currently used inventory that is obsolete and unreliable

[cva66snipe]

I've been saying this for years. Russia was not as stupid as we were. Though their factories during their downturn sat idle and even vandalized they left in place the infrastructure to quickly build up. At one point the U.S. had four carrier capable building shipyards. We now have one. Our defense industry infrastructure venues got sold to developers and the machinery shipped over to China. DEM and GOP leadership share equal guilt and blame for that.

I saw a very disturbing picture in FR one night. It was within the past year or even six months. IIRC five of our carriers sitting at the NOB Piers in Norfolk and two were in a shipyard readiness posture. By that I mean tents on the flight deck and shipyard sheds. It seems the short tow up the river to Portsmouth {Norfolk Naval Shipyards} was not in the budget I guess. One was being prepped for reactor refueling I think. It should have been across at Newport News then not out in the open unable to get underway or defensive systems function. That area is known for bad straight line storms also. I've seen ships at those piers tore loose and blown out in the channel before.

We are making a grave mistake in our national defenses one from which we may not recover.I don't mean just ships. I mean everything from aircraft, tanks, firearms, missile defense systems, down to Top's Jeep.

Watch the M.E. and watch what Russia does in the next few years. A Vacuum has been created by recent events. Russia will fill it. The sleeping bear is wakening up and it's gonna be hungry too. Our leaders in the White House and Congress ignore this at the expense of our future as a nation.

[tanknetter]

I saw a very disturbing picture in FR one night. It was within the past year or even six months. IIRC five of our carriers sitting at the NOB Piers in Norfolk and two were in a shipyard readiness posture.

... One was being prepped for reactor refueling I think.

I remember that picture too. IIRC the carriers were the just-deactivated Enterprise (being stripped of equipment), the Abraham Lincoln (also being stripped of equipment, as she was going in for refueling), the Theodore Roosevelt (just out of refueling and having equipment placed aboard), the Bush (just returned from a deployment) and the Eisenhower (or maybe it was Truman ... just about to depart from a deployment). The Navy was basically moving a lot of equipment between the carriers and into NOB Norfolk storage, and said it was an incredibly unique and fleeting situation.

Ike just got back from that deployment the other day. Navy.mil has pics of the arrival posted. Looks like two other CVNs (Bush and Truman), plus two Wasps, two San Antonios, and a bunch of other escorts/replenishment ships:

[cunning_fish]

Yes, Russia is often portrayed as a petrocracy living off thier oil sales but the reality is extraction makes about same share with US economy for Russia and a real manufacturing actually makes larger percent for their economy than it is for US.

If you want a Chevy Tahoe or a Toyota Camry in Europe or Central Asia it is labeled “Made in Russia”. Russia makes HDTVs under their domestic brands. Do you know any US-manufactured one?

[cva66snipe]

Looks like that might be Pier 12 it's pulling into. Pier 10 is the next one up then 7. Pier 10 was added in the mid 1980's so I've heard. Not really a good carrier pier due to being so out in the open to the eind. 12 & 7 are more ptotected.

Using N.O.B as a shipyard is gonna bite them on the butt eventually. Shipyard work carries with is extra risk meaning needing extra support at the facility in case of emergencies.

Thanks for the info I knew I'd seen the pictures I was speaking of. There are a few more too like 4 in a row in numerical order. N.O.B. should not have more than three carriers there ever for any reason. The Navy has a carrier pier in Mayport, Florida or did if it's still there.

[tanknetter]

Using N.O.B as a shipyard is gonna bite them on the butt eventually. Shipyard work carries with is extra risk meaning needing extra support at the facility in case of emergencies.

Thanks for the info I knew I'd seen the pictures I was speaking of. There are a few more too like 4 in a row in numerical order. N.O.B. should not have more than three carriers there ever for any reason. The Navy has a carrier pier in Mayport, Florida or did if it's still there.

You're welcome!

I don't think the Navy uses the NOB as a shipyard. It's more of a swap-out thing. Easier to move equipment across the pier than to ship it in from Newport News/Portsmouth. The Navy used to do the same thing when they swapped out the forward deployed decks in Japan. The two carriers would meet in Pearl Harbor and would exchange stuff directly. I think that's why they have Ike pulling in next to Bush. Bush is the next one to go out, I think. They're positioned starboard to starboard each with three elevators facing each other. Pretty good for efficiency. Although I would note that the Navy "shaved" Enterprise's island there before packing her up to NN for defueling. Cut her mast off completely. Looks weird

The carrier pier in Mayport is still there, but it's not rated to be a nuke homeport. Last carrier homeported there was JFK, but Ike was just there picking up Tiger Cruise participants for it's run up to Norfolk.

[cva66snipe]

Right before I got out in October 80 word came down we were heading to Mayport as new homeport after the upcoming cruise. We were just completing a year long overhaul as I got out. Matter of fact we had gone out for about two days and came back to the yards for a couple more weeks. I left the old gal at the same pier I found her at Norfolk Naval Shipyards LOL. The Homeport Change orders evidently got rescinded after Reagan took office. I know it never happened.

That upcoming cruise I read later opened up the Suez to carrier traffic again. America was the first to transit it since the war with Egypt and Syria. Carriers were going around the Horn but really after Nam I don't think many did unless it was a world cruise. I'm skeptical about using The Suez even. Just seems like it's inviting trouble.

When we off loaded carrier to carrier we usually did it at sea with Helo's best I remember.But we were east coast and MED Sea based. A relief rotation in the MED meant anchoring off ROTA for a few hours usually. WE only tied up in one foreign port and that was France and even then we stayed steaming. We tied up at Mayport several times.

[warchild9]

Yuch.

My daddy was a career Marine, and used to make jokes about that.

Again, yuch.

[Jeff Head]

Yes I thought the same thing.

It was at Christmas, December 2012, and five carries were docked at one time at Norfolk naval station for the holidays. Hmmm, wasn't there another attack on the US fleet a few week before Christmas? Those nuclear carrier you see there are the:

CVN 65 USS Enterprise
CVN 69 USS Dwight Eisenhower
CVN 72 USS Abraham Lincoln
CVN 75 USS Harry Truman
CVN 77 USS USS George Bush

There was also one across the way at Newport News going through long term work on her reactor, and even another, the new USS Ford being built at Newport News Ship building.

Foolish temptation to any adversary. Not to mention the four large amphibious assault ships (carrier in their own right) and all of the destroyers, subs, etc. docked there at the same time.

Outside of those six, we have five others however...but at least three of those were in port too, at Bremerton, San Diego and in Japan at the same time.

So, an adversary, wanting to decapitate our navy could place four nukes and get all of those carriers and most of their support ships and at least half of our amphibious fleet at one blow.

The only thing stopping them is our nuclear deterrent and the belief that we would respond with a devastating counter strike.

[Spruce]

Absolutely incredible. This is what happens when you have a community organizer running your military.

[areukiddingme1]

Not the first time I have posted this:

“War to the hilt between Communism and Capitalism is
inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough
to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years. To
win, we shall need the element of surprise. The
bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall
begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement
on record. There will be electrifying overtures and
unheard-of concessions. The capitalistic countries,
stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in
their own destruction. They will leap at another
chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down,
we will smash them with our clenched fist.”

— Dimitry Z. Manulsky, to the Lenin School of
Political Warfare, 1931.

[Mastador1]

No it reminds me of what typically happens when we have a demoncrat in office. While our leadership denigrates and destroys our military and it’s capabilities our enemies build theirs.

[Jeff Head]

Here's a more complete picture of the entire Norfolk Naval Station dock at that time, December 20, 2012.

The following vessels are all lined up there:

1. Nimitz Class CVN, USS Dwight Eisenhower, CVN-69
2. Nimitz Class CVN, USS George Bush, CVN-77
3. Enterprise CVN, USS Enterprise, CVN-65
4. Wasp Class LHD, USS Bonhomme Richard, LHD-6
5. Nimitz Class CVN, USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72
6. Nimitz Class CVN, USS Harry Trumna CVN-75
7. Wasp Class LHD, USS Wasp, LHD-1
8. Oliver H. Perry Class FFG, Guided-missile Frigate
9. Wasp Class LHD, USS Kearsage, LHD-3
10. San Antonio Class LPD, Amphibious Platform Dock
11. AOR Replenishment Vessel
12. AOR Replenishment Vessel
13. Wasp Class LHD, USS Iwo Jima, LHD-7
14. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
15. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
16. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
17. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
18. AOR Replenishment Vessel
19. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
20. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
21. San Antonio Class LPD, Amphibious Platform Dock
22. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
23. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
24. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
25. Ticonderoga Class CG, Guided-missile Cruiser
26. Ticonderoga Class CG, Guided-missile Cruiser
27. Burke Class DDG, Guided-missile Destroyer
28. AOR Replenishment Vessel

That's a total of:

• 05 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers at 100,000 tons each
• 04 Amphibious Assault Carriers at 40,000 tons each
• 02 Amphibious Platform Docks at 25,000 tons each
• 04 Replishment Vessels at 35,000+ tons each
• 02 Guided-missle Cruisers at 10,000 tons each
• 10 Guided-missile Destroyers at 9,500 tons each
• 01 Guided-missile frigate at 4,500 tons

So, a total of 28 vessels and 1,260,000 tons of warships.

All sitting pretty as you please in one place.

In those other three ports, San Diego, Bremerton, and Japan, one nuclear carrier, one Amphibious Assault Carrier, one LPD, and probably 2 crusiers and 4 destroyers and two replenishment vessels each, so another total of:

• 03 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers at 100,000 tons each
• 03 Amphibious Assault Carriers at 40,000 tons each
• 03 Landing Platform Docks at 25,000 tons each
• 06 Replenishment vessels at 35,000+ tons each
• 06 Guided-missile Cruisers at 10,000 tons each
• 12 Guided-missile Destroyes at 9,500 tons each
• 06 Gudied-missile Frigates at 4,500 tons each

39 more vessels and 778,000 tons.

So, on Christmas Day, 2012, we had a total of 67 of our largest, most capable vessels sitting lined up in four different ports, amounting to over, 2,000,000 tons of naval war vessels.

We have a total of 10 nuclear carriers, 8 were in those ports.
We have a total of 10 amphibious assault carreirs, 7 were in those ports.
We have a total of 9 San Antonio LPDs, 5 were in those ports.
We have a total of 22 Gudied-missile cruisers, 8 were in thos eports.
We have a total of 62 guided-missile destroyers, 22 were in those ports.
We have a total of 17 guided-missile firgates, 7 were in those ports.
We have a total of 30+ replinshement vessels of all sorts, 8 were in those ports.

It represented a sizable part of our entire surface Navy in four ports at one time. It represented a large majority of our surface naval power projection capability.

[TalonDJ]

You know, ‘at newport news’ is not any less ‘out in the open. Not as far as defense systems.
Also the one you were seeing was probably Enterprise. She is now at NN being defueled prior to decommissioning.

[TalonDJ]

Yeah except since one was being decommissioned soon it was really just 4. and that is not that uncommon.

If you count the ones across the way in the shipyard then Hampton Roads is ALWAYS a tempting target. Since I moved here there have rarely been fewer than three carriers on the navy side plus Ford in the shipyard side. And that is not counting the Amphibs. Unless we open another carrier home port in the east coast that will not change.

On the upside it would take a BIG nuke, or more than one, to get both the shipyard and the navy base.

[Jeff Head]

The Enterprise had in fact just come in at that time to be decommissioned, but, there was another carrier, just across the way in Newport News undergoing reactor reloading and major overhaul at the time, so there were five there.

And, the the PCU vessel, what will be the USS Gerald Ford, which is nearing completion was also there in Newport News, so arguably, there were six.

At that point (dec 2012), the USS Enterpise was still fully functional and could have easily been called back to service if necessary.

If I were an enemy, and was convinced that the US admin would not retailiate with a massive nuclear strike, I'd be awful tempted to send 10 birds flying, two at each base, and decimate the US fleet and naval capability in one strike.

But, that nuclear deterrent, both on land, what we still have for air, and particularly the trident subs, allows us to do this type of thing.

And it works as long as they know they will all burn in hell, literally, if they were to try it. But, if they think (or know) they have cowed an administration into not responding, or if they are fanatics like the Iranians, then the retaliation gambit does not work.

We may be able to save San Diego and Bremerton with the Land Based BMD interceptors.

BMD capable AEGIS vessels may also be able to knock a couple of down elsewhere if they are positioned appropriately.