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To: BroJoeK

“When Lincoln was first elected in November 1860 and South Carolina immediately began moving for secession, there was nothing for them to ‘nullify’ “

Nonsense. Again - there was a nullification crisis from about 1820 onwards when the North sought to increase the power of the federal government through the Bank of the United States.

Or are you saying it was the South that attempted to create a central bank? No, not at all.

As for compensation - it was closer to confiscation than compensation, the offer was nowhere near what had been paid. It would have meant their ruin - and that was the point.

The point was never to free the slaves - the point was to finally destroy the South. And it worked perfectly well, the South still isn’t as strong as she was prior to 1865, more than 150 years later.


87 posted on 07/06/2013 1:37:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
JCBreckenridge: "there was a nullification crisis from about 1820 onwards when the North sought to increase the power of the federal government through the Bank of the United States."

There is no mention of a Bank of the United States in any secessionist document, period.
You're just making cr*p up, FRiend.

JCBreckenridge: "As for compensation - it was closer to confiscation than compensation, the offer was nowhere near what had been paid.
It would have meant their ruin - and that was the point."

Sorry, but there was never any serious negation over the price of slaves to be freed, because slave-holders never agreed that slaves should be freed at any price.

JCBreckenridge: "The point was never to free the slaves - the point was to finally destroy the South.
And it worked perfectly well, the South still isn’t as strong as she was prior to 1865, more than 150 years later."

Nobody but nobody in 1860 wanted to "destroy the South", that's just ludicrous fantasy.
What most Northerners wanted was to prevent slavery from becoming legal in their own states and in western territories.
That's it!

But that was enough -- to make Fire Eaters amongst Southern white Slave Power demand secession and war against the United States and -- after Lincoln was elected President in November 1860 -- to get it.

110 posted on 07/06/2013 3:26:59 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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