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India may take a third Russian nuclear attack submarine on lease
The Island, Sri Lanka ^ | July 3, 2013 | S Venkat Narayan

Posted on 07/04/2013 3:59:29 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

India may take a third Russian nuclear attack submarine on lease

July 3, 2013, 10:48 pm

By S Venkat Narayan Our Special Correspondent

NEW DELHI, July 3: India has expressed interest in leasing another nuclear attack submarine from Russia to supplement the Akula class hunter-killer that was inducted last year. The two sides are now ready to start negotiations on the project, according to the head of the top Russian design bureau for nuclear submarines.

Tentatively christened INS Chakra III, the new submarine will be a variant of the Akula class of stealthy nuclear-powered submarines that are capable of spending months under water.

It is likely to be equipped with more lethal weaponry, including a vertically launched Brahmos missile system.

If the project goes through, this will be the third Russian nuclear submarine to be operated by India. The first was the original INS Chakra that was taken on a three-year lease in 1988. The second was inducted last year after a four-year delay. It too has been named the INS Chakra.

Vladimir Dorofeev, head of the Malachite Design Bureau, which is the main centre for nuclear attack submarines in Russia, has said that the negotiations that India and Russia did during the 2012 lease of the Chakra will help in a smooth process for the acquisition of the new submarine.

India has expressed an interest in acquiring the submarine and both the Russian design bureau and the shipyard that will construct it are ready for negotiations, The Indian Express quoted him today as saying in St Petersburg.

The submarine is likely to be reconstructed round the hull of the Iribis, a Russian Akula class submarine that was never completed as funds ran dry after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Dorofeev said that the new submarine could also benefit from the design efforts that Russia had put in its latest class of Yasen nuclear-powered attack submarines.

"The fourth generation of Yasen class submarine has been tested successfully, including the firing of a cruise missile from the submerged vessel. We can use that experience for the second Indian submarine. The launch was done using a new vertical launch system that can be used for the next submarine," Dorofeev said.

The universal launch system that has been tested can launch several types of missiles from a submerged vessel and can carry four to five missiles per salvo. However, the design bureau head refused to go into details of the project, saying that technical requirements for the next submarine will be discussed after India comes up with a set of technical requirements.

"If a political decision is taken then we as an industry should have no difficulty in delivering what is agreed to," he said. He expressed confidence that the matter will be discussed in future talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh, who meet once a year for top level confabulations.

He, however, refused to comment on Russian assistance for the indigenous INS Arihant class of submarines that India is constructing in Vizag (Andhra Pradesh). Joint cooperation or technology sharing would depend on political negotiations between the two nations, he said.

In April 2012, the Eastern Fleet that is tasked with patrolling some of the most sensitive waters around India, formally inducted the INS Chakra, a stealthy nuclear-powered submarine acquired from Russia on a 10-year lease.

The Akula II class submarine — renowned as one of the stealthiest in the world is an attack submarine — is nuclear-powered but does not carry nuclear missiles on board.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: india; nuclear; russia; submarine

1 posted on 07/04/2013 3:59:29 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
If India is smart she'll insist on building the sub domestically: Russia Battles Incompetent Shipyards
2 posted on 07/04/2013 4:09:39 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
If India is smart she'll insist on building the sub domestically

Indian submarine shipyards are, if anything, more incompetent than Russian ones.

3 posted on 07/04/2013 4:12:55 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

I thought Russian military maneuvers with the Chinese(India’s enemy) was our concern.


4 posted on 07/04/2013 4:18:30 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: 0.E.O

What kind of outfit works the repos on a leased submarine?


5 posted on 07/04/2013 4:31:11 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Israel and India need to join together to build state of the art 5th gen fighter jets, subs, anti-missile systems, large dish geostationary surveillance platforms, next gen silicon chip fabs, nano-scale 3D assemblers...etc

They are natural allies...it is their destiny IMO.

Together they can out produce China.

They have what it takes, a work ethic and brains.

Together they can give us poor Americans someplace to escape to.... some of us are going to need such a place.


6 posted on 07/04/2013 4:32:46 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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“Israel and India need to join together...”

The U.S., India and Israel need to collaborat militarily and economically against the ChiCom and Islamic threat.


7 posted on 07/04/2013 4:41:56 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How many boats named INS Chakra does the Indian Navy need? Sounds like George Foreman is in charge.


8 posted on 07/04/2013 5:42:12 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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I think that’s more journalistic imagination at work than anything else. Most navies don’t use I/II etc for their ships.

The first Chakra was taken on lease for about 4 years and the current one followed about 20 years later.


9 posted on 07/04/2013 9:50:03 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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>>>>If India is smart she’ll insist on building the sub domestically: Russia Battles Incompetent Shipyards<<<<<

Russian government is guilty so far.

They haven’t ordered a gunboat in two decades, businesses has long time converted to container ships, tankers and yachts and now they want them to bake a nuclear submarines at a rate of a dozen a year?

It is not surprising if the companies are charging them extras to rebuild tooling and there are considerable delays.

Where can they find a competent reactor machinist or people who can work on a titanium hull in no time?

The answer is pay our price and wait or go pound sand.

What is their choice? Will they order their submarines and carriers from US or China?

Government takeover is not a good option. Governments are infamous for inability to make business and rampant corruption. Russia is no exception.


10 posted on 07/04/2013 9:55:27 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Bobalu
Israel and India need to join together to build state of the art 5th gen fighter jets, subs, [...]

Israel prefers German diesel submarines with AIP. Cheaper to maintain and therefore more money left for other things. Well, German government paid more than 3 of the 6 submarines. So it was a real good deal.

11 posted on 07/05/2013 2:03:16 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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