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Rubio's immigration strategy worked brilliantly, but disappointed many (Pyrrhic Victory)
Washington Examiner ^ | June 27, 2013 | Byron York

Posted on 06/29/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

In the end, immigration reform really was a done deal in the Senate. Debates come down to numbers on Capitol Hill, and the Gang of Eight reform team had the numbers. Needing 60 votes to overcome a filibuster, they started with the Senate's 54 Democrats and then added the four Republican Gang members. With 58 votes in the bag, it wasn't hard to get to 60. So most of the 14 Republicans who ultimately voted to get the Gang bill past a filibuster were extras, not needed for passage but helpful to allow the reformers to claim a broad mandate.

From the beginning, many Senate Republicans were terrified of immigration reform. They knew a large part of their base opposed any measure that smelled of "amnesty." But they were also deeply shaken by last November's election results, in which Mitt Romney won just 27 percent of the Hispanic vote. Some GOP strategists, and some Senate colleagues, told them the Republican Party would be finished unless it supported reform.

What to do? First, they tried not to stick their necks out. For several months, if you asked a Republican senator a substantive question about immigration, the answer was, "Let's see what Marco comes up with."

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has been more than the GOP point man on immigration. From January, when the Gang of Eight announced its intentions, until April, when it unveiled its bill, Rubio was the man Republicans hid behind. "We're waiting for Marco" became the Senate Republican caucus' unofficial position on immigration.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; marcorube; marcorubio; rube; rubio
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"Menendez told me that Rubio's role was to 'work over the conservative universe, particularly the conservative opinion-maker universe,' in order to 'neutralize them' and, in some cases, 'proselytize them,'" the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza reported recently, referring to Democratic Gang member Robert Menendez. The leader of the Gang, Democrat Charles Schumer, "was delighted to have a Tea Party conservative who could sell an immigration bill to the right," Lizza wrote.

The plan worked brilliantly. Conservative talk radio hosts who might have instinctively opposed immigration reform as conceived by Schumer gave Rubio a respectful hearing and a lot of room. When Rubio told them the bill would secure the border first, they believed him.

Great job, Conservative Talk Radio!

1 posted on 06/29/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler
Rubio should build a consensus in Cuba and leave America the [fill in the blank] alone!
2 posted on 06/29/2013 7:55:59 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: holdonnow

You got snookered.


3 posted on 06/29/2013 7:57:05 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Former FReeper Pissant was dead on target with Rubio.


4 posted on 06/29/2013 7:59:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, he was.


5 posted on 06/29/2013 8:00:00 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yeah, Pyrrhus would be so proud of Marco.... Lovers of America, not so much.


6 posted on 06/29/2013 8:01:15 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yep, the pride of the talk radio guys wouldn’t let them admit they had been snookered, even now.


7 posted on 06/29/2013 8:01:51 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Standing Wolf

Sorry, no one puts one over on Rush.

If anything, the Tea Party was handed 14 RINOS to primary while believing this deal is dead in the house.

Now if Boehner and House leadeship sell out the Conservatives, it guarantees a third party which the RINOS and the establishment probably want.

This isn’t about immigration, this is about the destruction of the conservatives and the constitution.


8 posted on 06/29/2013 8:03:21 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: Timber Rattler

The patient died, but the operation was a success?


9 posted on 06/29/2013 8:03:27 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Timber Rattler

=>When Rubio told them the bill would secure the border first, they believed him.

So, he knowingly lied to talk radio. Those talkers should have stopped him sooner in my view. Their silence help to create a politician with a teflon suit. Though, his supporters are onto Marco now. Talk radio should be solid in principles, forthright to call Rubio out, Now.


10 posted on 06/29/2013 8:03:30 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Timber Rattler

>> Menendez told me that Rubio’s role was to ‘work over the conservative universe, particularly the conservative opinion-maker universe,’ in order to ‘neutralize them’ and, in some cases, ‘proselytize them,’

So Rubio — how’s it feel to be the puppet of a guy who travels the caribbean in search of underage girls to boink?

Bet you’re proud...


11 posted on 06/29/2013 8:03:40 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Rubio's immigration strategy worked brilliantly, but disappointed many (Pyrrhic Psycho Victory)
12 posted on 06/29/2013 8:04:16 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Timber Rattler
They were speaking politically, in the hope that they could vote for the Gang of Eight bill and then begin to reap benefits with Hispanic voters.

Ann Coulter's latest column explains why this is fiction.

That's highly unlikely...[Ha!]... but one thing is for sure: They have disappointed a lot of their conservatives supporters, most likely for a long time.

"Disappointed" does not come close, and "long time" would properly read..."EVER".

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13 posted on 06/29/2013 8:05:51 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yup, especially since Marco the republicRat lied about the bill.


14 posted on 06/29/2013 8:06:50 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Timber Rattler; Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; ..
RE :”Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has been more than the GOP point man on immigration. From January, when the Gang of Eight announced its intentions, until April, when it unveiled its bill, Rubio was the man Republicans hid behind. “We're waiting for Marco” became the Senate Republican caucus’ unofficial position on immigration.
After the Gang unveiled its bill, one might have expected GOP lawmakers to take a stand. Instead, many still deferred to Rubio, saying they were waiting to see what kind of improvements he might deliver.
Republicans were able to keep their heads down in part because there wasn't a lot of pressure coming from the anti-reform conservative base. And that owed a great deal to the Gang's decision to dispatch Rubio, elected as a Tea Party favorite in 2010 and viewed as a future leader of the Republican Party, on a mission to allay conservative suspicions about the bill.
“Menendez told me that Rubio’s role was to ‘work over the conservative universe, particularly the conservative opinion-maker universe,’ in order to ‘neutralize them’ and, in so/the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza reported recently, referring to Democratic Gang member Robert Menendez. The leader of the Gang, Democrat Charles Schumer, “was delighted to have a Tea Party conservative who could sell an immigration bill to the right,” Lizza wrote.
The plan worked brilliantly. Conservative talk radio hosts who might have instinctively opposed immigration reform as conceived by Schumer gave Rubio a respectful hearing and a lot of room. When Rubio told them the bill would secure the border first, they believed him.

After Rubio’s scamming Rush, Levin and Hannity you have to wonder if Obama went GOP and then when on their shows and complimented them and their listeners, if they would praise him too.

Is Ryan now the House GOP Rubio con-man?

15 posted on 06/29/2013 8:07:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yes, Rubio’s move was masterful. After the kiss, the Roman soldiers knew exactly who to arrest. FYMR


16 posted on 06/29/2013 8:07:38 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: cripplecreek

He’s ‘former’? Dang! I’m not on here enough.


17 posted on 06/29/2013 8:08:45 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: sickoflibs
Is Ryan now the House GOP Rubio con-man?

Yes, he is. Same strategy.

18 posted on 06/29/2013 8:10:14 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Setting yourself on fire is a great act. But you can only do it once.


19 posted on 06/29/2013 8:13:29 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Just signed a petition to recall Rubio. This must be done to all the Rino's that voted for this POS.

This could had pressure to the house to keep them from touching the topic altogether.

20 posted on 06/29/2013 8:17:34 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: Timber Rattler
But they were also deeply shaken by last November's election results, in which Mitt Romney won just 27 percent of the Hispanic vote.

that's the beauty of their plan. We lose the Hispanic vote regardles of how this legislation turns out. It's win-win for them and lose-lose for us. Giving millions and millions of illegal aliens the vote is a death blow to the Republicans and to the Republic however. It shouldn't be an option to anyone who truly considers themself anything other than a liberal democrat, a traitor, or a mexican/mexican sympathizer with divided loyalties.

21 posted on 06/29/2013 8:19:16 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Timber; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Perdogg; BillyBoy
RE:” Is Ryan now the House GOP Rubio con-man?.....
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Yes, he is. Same strategy.”

It was a rhetorical question.
I was on to Rubio from the start of this and Ryan 2+ years ago when he was seen a hero here.,

Ryan is playing the Rubio role in the House (as Rubio cant) and Rush, Hannity and Levin will continue to praise him.

The GOP house leadership has the Rubio card to scam the gullible of 'conservatives'

"Have you got your Lifelock yet? Identity theft is on the rise"

22 posted on 06/29/2013 8:21:27 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
He’s ‘former’? Dang! I’m not on here enough.

He became an obsessive compulsive PDS'er and was banned in 2011 after making an exceptionally vulgar remark about Sarah Palin and Tammy Bruce.

23 posted on 06/29/2013 8:22:23 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

What Rubio did (with the vile commercials funded by libs, the blatant talk-show lies, etc.) was hardly a garden-variety political flip-flop. It was even well beyond Bush-41’s “no new taxes” pledge. This was all-out betrayal. And that’s what Rubio’s name will forever be synonymous with... BETRAYAL. He’s a marked man.


24 posted on 06/29/2013 8:22:33 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Timber Rattler

Great thread post!


25 posted on 06/29/2013 8:23:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; holdonnow
Worth noting that Levin caught on to the scheme, but it was too late for him to stick the screws to his "good friend" Rubio like he subsequently did to Ryan.

FULL INTERVIEW: Mark Levin goes rounds with Paul Ryan on immigration reform

Mark Levin lays into Paul Ryan over his immigration stance

26 posted on 06/29/2013 8:28:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

All they have to do is look at Obama’s poll numbers this weekend and they have to know it won’t work. He got no benefit from it and neither will they, “bipartisan approach” and all. Personally, I think the message has been received judging by Christie’s appearance yesterday or Thursday.

“New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) criticized President Obama, casting him as someone who “can’t figure out how to lead.” Speaking at a town hall meeting, Christie went after Congress’ image and the president, saying: “That’s what happens when you have someone in the executive office who is more concerned about being right than he is concerned about getting things done.” Christie has been criticized by conservative critics of cozying up to Obama too much.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/06/28/chris-christie-says-obama-cant-figure-out-how-to-lead/

Further reporting I heard on the radio was that a woman in the crowd offered praise to Christie for working with Obama and he was very cool toward hearing it, telling her “I didn’t vote for him and I don’t want him to be President.” Unless the Agribusiness lobby has dangled a really big bribe to the House Republicans, there won’t be a bill is my guess


27 posted on 06/29/2013 8:29:56 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: RC one

At the end of the day, our destruction lays at the feet of the media. We should be picking them apart. They are the ones committing treason every day. They have reduced the GOP to a bunch of sniveling losers stupidly trying to gain the public’s favor by copying the Dems playbook of giving stuff to lazy good for nothing people. They allow the public to be uninformed and stupid. The left could not do what they are doing this but for the media........


28 posted on 06/29/2013 8:30:55 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I would like to think it worked to destroy his political career. But given that the people of AZ continue to reelect pro-amnesty Juan McCain I sorta doubt it.


29 posted on 06/29/2013 8:31:17 PM PDT by South40
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, he was.


30 posted on 06/29/2013 8:39:06 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Conservatism is on the wane in all western countries. Amazingly it has actually grown in formerly USSR components.


31 posted on 06/29/2013 8:43:29 PM PDT by entropy12 (Even tho Obama is now a lame duck, with 2014 House majority, he will be a dangerously socialist!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Rubio is dead to me.


32 posted on 06/29/2013 8:43:40 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: cripplecreek

Please refresh me on pissant and Rubio.


33 posted on 06/29/2013 8:44:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Timber Rattler

And all he had to do is destroy the party to pull it off.


34 posted on 06/29/2013 8:46:17 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Timber Rattler; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Liz; ...
RE :”Worth noting that Levin caught on to the scheme, but it was too late for him to stick the screws to his “good friend” Rubio like he subsequently did to Ryan

Not really what I would call 'screws' ,
I listen to Levin a few minutes each day in car and he has always been anti-amnesty ,
but just last week Levin said that Ryan is a “a good man and very smart but he doesn't understand what is in this Senate bill”

He wants them to like him. That is the problem. You couldn't bring down the Senate bill without bringing down Rubio first and they wouldn't do it.

Those wascally Dems keep twicking these conservatives over and over because they are too twusting. Drat. I hate those twicky Dems for fooling them”

35 posted on 06/29/2013 8:50:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: my small voice

The media’s bias should be deeply disturbing to anyone who isn’t a ranking democratic party member. The truth is, they are VERY good at their game and most Americans are not wise enough to realize that they are being psychologically manipulated and guided and not being presented with impartial unbiased facts so that they may actually draw their own informed conclusions. Mind fu**ed they are.


36 posted on 06/29/2013 8:53:03 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Christie at the beach

So, he knowingly lied to talk radio. Those talkers should have stopped him sooner in my view. Their silence help to create a politician with a teflon suit. Though, his supporters are onto Marco now. Talk radio should be solid in principles, forthright to call Rubio out, Now.

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I haven’t listened to Hannity in a long time but last I heard him he was always kissing Rubio’s rear. He acted like Rubio walked on water - he probably did the same with this bill.


37 posted on 06/29/2013 9:01:39 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: sickoflibs; Timber; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Perdogg; BillyBoy; DoughtyOne
Listen to Limbaugh (6-27-2013) tap-dance around the issue of Ryan's treachery:

I mean, there is that frame of mind or point of view about it in the House, but my point is if somebody in the House already has a bill that demands border security -- first, foremost, provable, with real triggers and so forth -- before any legalization happens, you shouldn't need any big name to sell that. That's just an observation. I'm not speaking out against Ryan here. It's just my reaction. But at the same time, Ryan is still maintaining that whatever happens here, it isn't amnesty.

38 posted on 06/29/2013 9:02:39 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Rubio's immigration strategy worked brilliantly

It worked beautifully for democrats.

I believe it was a planned tactic right from the start.

They managed to accomplish at least three things:

1 - They got their immigration bill passed in the senate with republican help so they can claim it is a bi-partisan bill

2 - They managed to de-fang Marco Rubio, one of the republican party's latest Boy Wonders who might have been able to inspire and unite republicans and conservatives

3 - They caused a serious fracture between republicans and conservative -- just what they wanted in the run up to the 2014 elections.


39 posted on 06/29/2013 9:09:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Rubio's New Book: From Nobody To Senator, To Conservative savior, Then Back To Nobody")
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RE :”Listen to Limbaugh (6-27-2013) tap-dance around the issue of Ryan's treachery”

I recall that after GWB was safely elected he sent out poor (nice guy) Tony Snow was sent onto Rush's show to sell the Bush-McCain-Pelosi amnesty bill and Rush gave him hell for it.

Poor Snow repeat replies ‘wait for the final bill, just wait’

Isn't Ryan FOR their citizenship as w Rubio? I seem to recall reading that here.

40 posted on 06/29/2013 9:11:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: my small voice
At the end of the day, our destruction lays at the feet of the media. We should be picking them apart. They are the ones committing treason every day. They have reduced the GOP to a bunch of sniveling losers stupidly trying to gain the public’s favor by copying the Dems playbook of giving stuff to lazy good for nothing people. They allow the public to be uninformed and stupid. The left could not do what they are doing this but for the media........

Exactly.

The media is the greatest propaganda machine the world has ever known. More subtle than Hitler or Stalin's media, and better funded.

The media never, ever vetted Obama. There is so much we do not know about this vile man, thanks to the media. They are, as Democrat Pat Caddel put it, the enemy of the American media. They must be defeated first.

41 posted on 06/29/2013 9:20:37 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Timber Rattler

If it has anything in the bill to do with spending technically it’s toast. All new spending has to originate in House bills.


42 posted on 06/29/2013 9:25:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Palin said it best:


43 posted on 06/29/2013 9:32:54 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: svcw
Rubio's immigration strategy worked brilliantly

Yeah, and Ned Beatty had a great weekend canoeing in North Georgia.


44 posted on 06/29/2013 11:28:59 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: cripplecreek
Former FReeper Pissant was dead on target with Rubio.

That guy was a broken clock. He was miles off on Sarah Palin, and thought that Duncan Hunter would be President in 2012.

45 posted on 06/29/2013 11:34:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
He’s ‘former’? Dang! I’m not on here enough.

Please....you're kidding, right? Pissant has been gone for over two years now.

46 posted on 06/29/2013 11:36:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Rubio’s role was to be chaff aimed at the middle of the Party. He didnt need to convert us, just neutralize us (with the help of Zuckerberg’s lying ads).

The goal was to fix the mistakes made in 2006 by convincing enough of the party that conservatives would be brought along to pass amnesty (and Rubio was the face of this sleight of hand).

The GOP-e is patting themselves on the back for saving the Republican Party from both demographics and their own base.

Indeed, the reverse will happened. Amnesty will prove to be the breaking point of the GOP. The problem with “where else do conservatives have to go” is that eventually, it no longer matters just so long as its no longer here. We’ve arrived at that point. Thank you, Marco: I mean that. You destroyed the Republican Party and eventually, we’ll all be better as a result. In the meantime, my thanks is accompanied by a healthy “Freep You” to boot.


47 posted on 06/30/2013 12:10:53 AM PDT by ziravan (Choose sides. That includes you too, NSA snoop.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Hope Rubio gets recalled.


48 posted on 06/30/2013 2:02:19 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Timber Rattler
As the conservative Center for Immigration Studies points out, “Illegal aliens will be rewarded for breaking laws for which American citizens are routinely punished” such as the use of fraudulent Social Security cards, while imposing a $1,000 penalty that “in many cases would be waived. Then they would be issued a new Social Security number without any past bad credit or arrest records.”

TALKING POINTS---Just before the IR procedural vote, Judiciary Committee member Sen Grassley offered a simple amendment to the Judiciary Committee considering voting the immigration bill out of commmittee. "The secretary (of homeland security) may not grant registered provisional immigrant status to an alien under this section unless the alien fully discloses to the secretary all the names and Social Security account numbers that the alien has ever used to obtain employment in the United States," said Grassley's amendment.

Grassley's amendment would not have prohibited illegal aliens from being converted into legal aliens just because they had used names and Social Security numbers that did not belong to them. It would only have required that the illegal aliens make the names and numbers they used known to DHS before they could be granted the right to legally live in the United States.

Grassley said, "Congress should not thumb its nose at the millions of Americans who are victims of identity theft, often perpetrated by an undocumented person who steals Social Security numbers to get jobs, govt benefits, driver's licenses and more. This amendment will simply require the person applying for RPI status to disclose any previously used Social Security numbers," said Grassley. "It's the first step to helping clean up the mess that's been created for the victim of identity theft. The amendment also authorizes certain federal agencies, upon receipt of this information, to notify individuals who were the victims."

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ON RECORD AS AIDING AND AETTING FELONIES Ranking member Sen Schumer dismissed Grassley's proposal. "When people are living in undocumented status, there are times, I suppose, when they've made up identities, made up Social Security numbers," Schumer told his Judiciary Committee colleagues. "How are they going to remember all that, and are we going to delay RPI status? "(The) purpose of this bill is to bring people out of the shadows. We all know when they lived in the shadows, they had to forge documents, forge Social Security numbers, et cetera. I just don't see how, when you've lived here 10 years, and you've had many different identities, many different numbers, you're going to remember them all," said Schumer.

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The Senate Judiciary committee defeated Grassley's amendment 8 to 10 on a party-line vote.

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ACTION ALERT Freepers should mobolize locally--get grand juries to begin indicting these Senators for FAILING TO UPHOLD THE LAW AGAINST FELONIES. A few convictions and imprisonment oughta wake up the treasonous Congress. KEEP IN MIND---those elected to office are held to a higher standard of law than we peons....but have never been held to account.

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Majority members----Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing Room
226 Dirksen Senate Office Building Washington, DC:

Patrick Leahy, Dem-Vermont, Chairman
Dianne Feinstein, Dem-California
Chuck Schumer, Dem-New York, ranking member
Dick Durbin, Dem-Illinois
Sheldon Whitehouse, Dem-Rhode Island
Amy Klobuchar, Dem-Minnesota
Al Franken, Dem- Minnesota
Chris Coons,Dem- Delaware
Richard Blumenthal, Dem- Connecticut
Mazie Hirono, Dm-Hawaii

Source: 2013 Congressional Record, Vol. 159, Page S296 to 297

49 posted on 06/30/2013 4:54:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: sickoflibs; AuntB; TADSLOS; Tennessee Nana; GOPJ; hoosiermama; thouworm; no-to-illegals; ...
I'd like to see Jay Sekulow's legal group take on immigration reform on these principles:

WIKI Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs. While laboring to benefit another occurs also in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

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50 posted on 06/30/2013 5:02:48 AM PDT by Liz
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