Posted on 06/29/2013 8:19:45 AM PDT by opentalk
The Runyons say they signed no agreements, and if they were contaminated with the genetically modified seed, it blew over from a neighboring farm."Pollination occurs, wind drift occurs. There's just no way to keep their products from landing in our fields," David said.
"What Monsanto is doing across the country is often, and according to farmers, trespassing even, on their land, examining their crops and trying to find some of their patented crops," said Andrew Kimbrell, with the Center For Food Safety. "And if they do, they sue those farmers for their entire crop."
Source here
If you're "not sure that’s correct." spend a few seconds looking it up. It doesn't take all that much longer than typing in a rebuttal based on ignorance.
Many small farms save a portion of their crop for replanting the next year. These heritage strains of wheat are disease resistant for their area having adapted over generations in the same area. Modified Genes are a threat to these valuable seed stocks. Think Irish Potato famine, think GMO weeds.
Not good. When GMO first came out we were promised that they could never spread to nature. This turns out to be incorrect. We are still promised that they are not a danger, this has turned out to be incorrect. Now we are promised that there is no need to identify what food sources are GMO, even when there are studies that show health risks.
I find that the GMO camp is motivated by their wallets, not the survival of life on Earth.
Monsanto has become evil in deed.
Where are the usual posts from “pro-science” Freepers who say you are not a real free-market conservative if you do not support government/industry partnerships like Monsanto?
See the Boston Globe Magazine 6/23/13 “The Bee Keepers” by Scott Helman shelman@globe.com.
GMO’s/ aka neo nicotinoids are killing the honey bees.
What do people think that these same neonicotiinoids are doing to the insides of OUR HUMAN BODIES as we consume them?
Do not confuse hybridization with the bastardization of inserting foreign DNA/RNA into our seeds!
This is the next plague and it is created by stupid, greedy humans!!
Keep ingesting glyphosate and the kids will want banannas are they climb trees hunting for acorns and nuts. Mess with human genes and it won’t end well for the race.
What do GMOs have to do with nicotinoids?
Neonicotinoids is actually One word, if you open your eyes and look...they are the chemical compounds that are killing the honey bees (see The Boston Globe Magazine 6/23/13.. Scott Hellman shelman@globe.com “The BeeKeepers”)
These are the compounds that make up the viral/fungal/dna/rna crap that goes in our seeds to make our food which we are told is safe and we consume it.
Monsanto holds the patent and sues those who do not follow their gov’t regulated rules induced pesticide/suicide.
They're pesticides, where do you get that they're spliced into the seeds?
How many small farmers do you know who do that?
I find that the GMO camp is motivated by their wallets
OMG! The profit motive.......evil!
not the survival of life on Earth.
Who needs higher yields? Let 'em starve!
Monsanto has become evil in deed.
I know, making products that farmers willingly buy.
Todd..do your own research regarding GMO’s, my purpose is to make you aware.
Are you lazy?
I'm aware of the pesticide. I'm not aware of anything like this spliced into plant DNA.
Are you lazy?
I'll understand if you have no proof of your claim.
For corn, no one has done that for more than 50 years, for the simple reason that beginning about 50 years ago, seed corn companies found out that a cross-breeding program that ended with what is called a 'single cross' seed can out produce other methods by a wide, wide margin. More than enough to pay for fresh single cross seed each year.
Farmers can save the single cross crop and plant it, but it produces almost nothing.
The nice thing about threads like these for me, a former farmer, it's easy to sort out the posts of those who speak from a position of ignorance from those who have even the most basic knowledge of the ag-sciences.
While I agree that we should let a large part of the world starve to death, it is for political reasons, not scientific.
The GMO corner was turned decades ago, there is no going back. Why, it would be like banning coal.........oh wait!
Then you are unaware of the entire process, please read the article I cited, I cannot post a link but you can easily google it. The purpose of the pesticide is to be spliced into the seed itself, for example Round up Ready crops . Corn, soy, sugar beets, Hawaiian papaya. These are made by Monsanto. There are others made by Bayer and Syngenta. There have been numerous articles posted here on FR quite recently regarding Monsanto and GE crops.
I cannot post links, I don’t know how.
In a just world, one would hope any farmer being sued for unlicensed GM crops could hoist their middle finger at Monsanto until they can explain how this never released seed showed up in Oregon.
I can't find any proof for your claim of splicing. I did find this.
THERE’S A CERTAIN GENIUS to pesticides known as systemics. Unlike traditional pest-killing chemicals, which are usually sprayed on crops, lawns, and trees, systemic pesticides render a plant toxic to bugs from the inside out. Seeds are treated with pesticide before they’re sowed (or sometimes the soil is pre-treated). When the plant grows, the poison essentially grows with it, spreading to all parts of the tissue and killing any snacking corn borers, rootworms, aphids, or stink bugs.
The big systemic pesticides these days are called neonicotinoids, which are derived from nicotine and target insects’ nervous systems.
I know of one farmer that works here where I do that does that. He tells me a few of his neighboring farms do but all of them are family type small farms. Couple hundred acres max.
You do not have to be so ballistic about it, Producing seed that destroys other crops is evil. Suing farmers for the genetics that you promised would not escape and then when it does you sue someone else for stealing the genes is evil. Producing products that harm the ecosystem and or trying to get a seed monopoly is evil.
Producing seed that is superior, and feeds more people with less effort is not evil, heck, your a hero.
Making a insecticide that works well, hero, but when you find out it is unintentionally killing off honey bees, and you decide to lobby to keep it out there, oops, evil again. If you hid the fact for years till people start freaking about serious honeybee losses, very evil.
If Monsanto would grow some morality and responsibility I would champion them, but now, they are evil soulless bastards that are willing to destroy the planet for future generations, long as they can have the bucks now.
Bad enough that Russia is threatening war if we do not harness them to responsibility.
EVIL...
What do they grow?
You do not have to be so ballistic about it,
Where did I do that?
Producing seed that destroys other crops is evil.
Since no one does that, I'll agree.
Suing farmers for the genetics that you promised would not escape and then when it does you sue someone else for stealing the genes is evil.
So is the more likely case of a farmer not paying for seeds developed by Monsanto.
Producing seed that is superior, and feeds more people with less effort is not evil, heck, your a hero.
Excellent! That's why farmers buy seed from Monsanto & other big seed companies.
Making a insecticide that works well, hero, but when you find out it is unintentionally killing off honey bees
Your feeling, or is their proof?
but now, they are evil soulless bastards that are willing to destroy the planet for future generations
I know, just by making better products that farmers buy. And they're profitable too!
Bad enough that Russia is threatening war if we do not harness them to responsibility.
Yeah, lots of idiots over there too.
Last try, but I see you are just being pugnacious.
They grow wheat, why do you ask?
When you started playing over the top straw man, I called it ballistic, what do you want to call it if we are up to name games?
The GMO resistance to Roundup has passed to weeds. This destroys crops. As the Gene is indicated in illness in mammals its spread to heritage strains of wheat is very serious. At least till the tests can be run to prove the GMO strain is not the cause of illness. No I will not look it up for you, if you are interested you will look it up for yourself. If not, I will spare the sweat.
No, actually Monsanto sued a farmer that was growing his own seed because their GM showed up in his strain.
Most farmers are in a collective, they grow the seed they are told to grow, and spray what they are told to spray and sell the product to the collective.
No, it is not my feeling, that strain of insecticide is now banned in many European Countries, but not in America because the Monsanto Lobby is fighting it tooth and nail.
No they are evil soulless bastards for forcing the continuation of their pesticide that is linked to massive bee die off that is going to cause famine in the future if we do not stop using the crap. Making money is fine, and necessary if they want to stay in business, and if they make a superior product they do the world good. You are just being an ass, and straw man trying to implicate I am some sort of liberal that hates corporations.
Quit making up your own mind before trying to comprehend what someone else is saying. That is retarded. Then being rude to them because you think they think like you. That is just rude.
Yeah, and Someone that threatens war because you are destroying the planet, is an idiot because...?
Don’t answer, I have already seen you can not comprehend things at our level. Just
Go home Todd...
Not just.
They grow wheat, why do you ask?
Some modern crops don't do as well with "saved seeds".
When you started playing over the top straw man, I called it ballistic
Over the top?
Monsanto has become evil in deed.
Yeah, I can see how you don't like that.
The GMO resistance to Roundup has passed to weeds.
Link?
No I will not look it up for you
LOL!
No, actually Monsanto sued a farmer that was growing his own seed because their GM showed up in his strain.
Yeah, he didn't want to pay for their strain. AFAIK, he lost.
No, it is not my feeling, that strain of insecticide is now banned in many European Countries
Do they have a bee die off problem in Europe?
No they are evil soulless bastards for forcing the continuation of their pesticide that is linked to massive bee die off
I haven't seen conclusive evidence that it is linked. So far, many theories, no proof.
You are just being an ass, and straw man trying to implicate I am some sort of liberal that hates corporations.
I'm awful, using your own words. Just awful.
Yeah, and Someone that threatens war because you are destroying the planet, is an idiot because...?
I'm sorry Russia is using the same idiot arguments idiot American liberals use. War? Yeah, they're kidding. Destroying the planet? That's funny.
Don’t answer, I have already seen you can not comprehend things at our level.
You're right, for once, I don't see things at the anti-science liberal level. Sorry that you do.
Run away!
If one is ER sensitive, soy has already (and long) been recommended against.
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