[workerbee]

If the House sells out on Immigration, too, it is all over, even more all over than it is if Obamacare is implemented. With the new voting rights of 10 to 20, 30,50, 100 million- however many latinos and Moslems want to come here, Repunblicans will never win another national or, in most states, state election. Single Party totalitarian Democrat rule will be a fait accompli and nonreversible. No other new party will fare any better.

I can tell you right now, that I will support 3rd Party every way I can should the House cave. The GOP has been on life support with me for some time now.

Do I think a 3rd Party stands a chance in the next election? Hell no. The next 10 elections? Nope. I think it's a safe bet that I'll never see "conservative" politics on a national level again in my lifetime (I'm 45). But maybe my grandchildren or further on down will be the ones to reclaim this nation. I don't know. But dammit, it has to start somewhere! May as well be now, with me.

[arthurus]

No. I suspect there is no turning back short of massive armed insurrection and the likelihood if that occurs is a tyranny populated by a different group of tyrants.