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Mayor Bloomberg on Stop-and-Frisk: ‘Disproportionately Stop Whites Too Much, Minorities Too Little’
Politicker ^ | June 28, 2013 10:07 am | Colin Campbell

Posted on 06/28/2013 11:25:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai

On the defense after the City Council passed a pair of bills designed to curb the NYPD’s controversial stop-and-frisk tactic and other alleged abuses, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said today that his critics had it backwards when they accuse the police of stopping too many black and Latino men. In fact, he bluntly declared the opposite to be true if viewed through a lens of who commits murders.

“I think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little,” Mr. Bloomberg argued during his Friday morning WOR radio show with John Gambling. “It’s exactly the reverse of what they say. I don’t know where they went to school, but they certainly didn’t take a math course. Or a logic course.”

Mr. Bloomberg, repeating a line similar to one Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has used before, was contending that the NYPD’s stops should be compared to the racial breakdown of murder suspects, not the the city’s overall demographics. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bloomberg; racialprofiling; stopandfrisk; whiteprofiling

1 posted on 06/28/2013 11:25:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Bloomberg is (1) a billionaire, (2) not running for re-election.

Therefore, he may speak the truth if he wishes.


2 posted on 06/28/2013 11:27:20 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Olog-hai

Regardless of what the ratio of blacks to whites is how is this even remotely legal? Where is the ACLU? How has this been allowed to continue for so long?

The police stop and frisk people at random? Really?

Bloomberg is a complete fascist.


3 posted on 06/28/2013 11:28:18 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Olog-hai
This is a statement that is completely characteristic of Bloomberg, but which will take many posters here by surprise.
4 posted on 06/28/2013 11:28:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Jack Black
The police stop and frisk people at random? Really?

Do you honestly not know what a Terry stop is?

Really?

5 posted on 06/28/2013 11:29:04 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder what the breakdown in terms of race, religion, sex, etc. is at airports for patdowns and enhanced searches by the TSA.


6 posted on 06/28/2013 11:29:25 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: Olog-hai

A pig finds an acorn.


7 posted on 06/28/2013 11:32:05 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Olog-hai

Fascist idiot speaks the truth and steps in it. Now he’ll get the sodomization he richly deserves from his lib buddies in the MSM, albeit for the wrong reasons.


8 posted on 06/28/2013 11:32:38 AM PDT by MCH
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To: Olog-hai

Even a blind squirrel....


9 posted on 06/28/2013 11:33:26 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Jack Black

using that logic. women should be about 55%of the stops
insanity!!


10 posted on 06/28/2013 11:34:19 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Jack Black
How has this been allowed to continue for so long?

I remember that going on back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s....I left Fun City in 02.

11 posted on 06/28/2013 11:35:23 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Olog-hai

Doomberg is an idiot and Obama sockpuppet. And, as a means of not being accused of profiling minorities, his cops are profiling whites!!

Either way, New Yorkers are being profiled and I would think that, in a city of 80 bazillion people, the NYPD would have better things to do!


12 posted on 06/28/2013 11:35:43 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: skeeter
or the broken clock.
13 posted on 06/28/2013 11:39:52 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Olog-hai

Is he feeling ok? Amazing statement but absolutely true!


14 posted on 06/28/2013 11:46:28 AM PDT by mansfield53
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To: Olog-hai

His critics being public defenders who actually see all of the people who are arrested.


15 posted on 06/28/2013 11:51:51 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Olog-hai
"stops should be compared to the racial breakdown of murder suspects, not the the city’s overall demographics."

More reverse discrimination. Obviously whites need to step up their murder rate. ;-)

16 posted on 06/28/2013 11:57:07 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: Olog-hai

who was the ex mayor of NYC that thought Bloomingidiot was a good choice?


17 posted on 06/28/2013 12:10:59 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: wideawake

Well, a Terry stop does require reasonable suspicion so it isn’t completely random.


18 posted on 06/28/2013 12:20:39 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: wideawake

“Do you honestly not know what a Terry stop is?”

You apparently don’t.


19 posted on 06/28/2013 12:45:22 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: Olog-hai
From the Post (NY):

The mayor was referring to statistics showing that a majority of serious crimes in the city are carried out by young men of color.

Eighty seven percent of all stops last year were for blacks or latinos, who constituted 90 percent of murder suspects, according to city stats. Only nine percent of stops were for white people, who made up 7 percent of all murder suspects.

“People say, well you know, cops shouldn't be stopping so many of any one group,” he said. “The cops' job is to stop so many of groups fitting the description. It's society's job to make sure that no one group is disproportionately represented as potential perpetrators.

"That's not the test. The test is are you stopping a disproportionate percentage of people who fit the description that witnesses or victims have come up with of crimes that have been committed."


20 posted on 06/28/2013 12:51:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Crackuhz!!!!!


21 posted on 06/28/2013 12:55:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Olog-hai
Former Congressman Anthony Weiner, a front-runner in the race for mayor along with Quinn, has expressed general support for stop and frisk.

Weiner should win the white vote over Quinn (the City Council speaker who let pro-criminal legislation out of committee so it could pass with a majority of votes while she voted symbolically against it), and Bill Thompson, a black pol who's against stop-and-frisk, will win the black vote (~25%). The question of who wins the Hispanic vote (~25%) will decide the Democratic primary, and the NYC mayoral race.

22 posted on 06/28/2013 1:04:05 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jack Black

It’s not random. It’s based upon behavior.


23 posted on 06/28/2013 1:04:10 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Jack Black

This is why I refuse to travel to NYC. I know someone who got a “stop and frisk” because they were wearing a jacket, in the fall. The cop claimed they were wearing one to conceal a gun.


24 posted on 06/28/2013 1:07:57 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Jack Black

More:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324039504578259960385659952.html


25 posted on 06/28/2013 1:28:35 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Olog-hai
John Ross, a blogger, had a conversation with a black business owner who explained to him that on average, blacks support black criminals out of kin solidarity - sky-high criminality among blacks means that almost every black person has a criminal relative:

    A black businessman (who was one of the handful of St. Louis city residents who voted for the referendum) and I were discussing the recent passage of RTC. I brought up the referendum results, and said I could not understand why blacks had been so uniformly against the measure. The proposal was a "shall issue" one, where if you satisfied the requirements (training, fingerprints, no criminal record, no mental illness, etc.) you couldn’t be denied the permit just because the sheriff didn’t like the idea of people besides the police having guns. The businessman stared at me.

    "I thought you were good at math," he said.  I allowed as to how I felt that I was. "Then you must never have taken Statistics and Probability." I told him I had done this also, and that it had been one of the most rewarding math classes I had ever taken (and incidentally was taught by Amherst’s professor Denton, who is black.) "Then you must be cowed enough by political correctness to never think of applying statistics and probability to anything involving race." Finally I admitted that this last accusation might be true.

    "Then I am going to ask you two true-or-false questions. One: Do blacks in the city of St. Louis have large extended families?" I answered in the affirmative. "Two: Is it true that in St. Louis, over 40% of the black males between the ages of 17 and 25 have criminal records?" I told him that was also true, unfortunately.

    "So here is the important question: What are the chances of a black person of voting age in St. Louis having at least one relative with a criminal record? Assume we define ‘relative’ broadly, to include the young men who father the children of our female relatives, whether married to them or not." He sat there waiting for my answer.

    "Are we talking fathers, stepfathers, uncles, brothers, stepbrothers, male cousins, sons, stepsons, nephews, mothers’ boyfriends, aunts' boyfriends, sisters’ boyfriends, daughters’ boyfriends, stepdaughters’ boyfriends, female cousins’ boyfriends, nieces’ boyfriends, as well as anyone actually married to a female relative?" I asked. He nodded. "Then I’d say there's nearly 100% probability that at least one relative would have a criminal record." He smiled at me like a teacher who has just gotten the right answer from one of his slower students.

    "So," I said, "I'm to believe that the black sentiment in St. Louis was ‘I wish young Tyrone would stop robbing people, but I don’t want one of the people he robs to shoot him dead.’ Is that it?" I asked.

    "You’ve got it exactly," he told me.

    "But why? I mean, honestly, if some guy was married to my cousin and mugged people for a living, I’d figure he was making his own choices and could damn well take the chance of being blasted. I wouldn’t vote away my rights to help his sorry ass."

    "What if it wasn’t just your one cousin’s husband, but 40% of all your male relatives between the ages of 18 and 25? What if that was, oh, I don’t know, a dozen people?"  Suddenly I didn’t know what to say.

    "You don’t feel that way," I said finally.

    "I’m an Uncle Tom. I’ve recently come to realize that I now have very few black friends."

    This statement filled me with an ineffable sadness.  I know that we will get Right-To-Carry here in Missouri, even if the Governor vetoes it. That’s not the issue. And every black Missourian with a criminal record isn’t going to get shot by an armed citizen—we all know that, too.   In over 98%** of the cases where a licenseholder encounters a criminal, he stops the crime without firing a shot. It’s that way in Atlanta and every other big city with a large black population in a Right-To-Carry state, so there’s no reason to think it would be any different in Kansas City or St. Louis.

    But the O.J. trial and what the black businessman said has stuck with me. What hope can we have, I wonder, if the values that blacks hold dear are mutually exclusive of those held by whites?


26 posted on 06/28/2013 1:37:49 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: wideawake
No, I do not know what a "Terry Stop" is, really. I go decades without interfacing with the police at all. I'll google it and get up to speed.

I guess I just have a simplistic out-of-date idea about what the Constitution's prohibition on unreasonable search-and-seizure means. To me it means a cop can't come up to you and frisk you just because he wants to.

Here's the Wikipedia article on the "Terry Stop". It says that they have to have a reasonable suspicion of a crime. That's not the same as random.

27 posted on 06/28/2013 2:33:15 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: MCH

Wait a minute....Bloomberg and his golden ilk were a big part of feathering the nest for illegals called “sanctuary cities” that the rest of us are forced to live in and deal with the crime. He’s a big part of the problem, not the solution.

http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-new-york-to-become-sanctuary-city-for-illegal-aliens


28 posted on 06/28/2013 7:35:21 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s a really interesting analysis.


29 posted on 06/28/2013 8:41:47 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: wideawake

The folks who are against this practice in NYC describe a practice that sounds more random than a Terry stop — no “reasonable suspicion based on specific articulable facts” is present, so they say. That doesn’t mean they’re telling it like it is, though.


30 posted on 06/28/2013 10:15:39 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Zhang Fei

Ummm. Wow.


31 posted on 06/29/2013 7:52:55 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux; Jack Black; randomhero97; green iguana
The NYPD, at any given time of day, have about 8,000 officers deployed to serve about 9mm people (about 8.3mm people live in the city, but there are at least 1mm commuters and tourists in the city on any given day).

The recipients of Terry stops may claim that they are random, the NYPD says they are not.

The numbers suggest that time and resources are not available for random searches - there are probably not enough police to make it through all the searches that have a reasonable basis, let alone inventing excuses for extra searches.

Anyone who has mastered grammar school math should be able to work this out.

The ACLU has been fighting against the NYPD doing systematic Terry stops since Giuliani was elected the first time.

After two decades of courts upholding the Constitutionality of NYPD procedures, Eric Holder has decided to intervene and take up the jihad against the NYPD.

32 posted on 06/29/2013 8:29:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Olog-hai

NYPD should focus more on gays. That’s one group that would actually volunteer to be stopped and frisked.


33 posted on 06/29/2013 9:09:35 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
The folks who are against this practice in NYC describe a practice that sounds more random than a Terry stop — no “reasonable suspicion based on specific articulable facts” is present, so they say. That doesn’t mean they’re telling it like it is, though.

On a per capita basis, Holder's people are known to kill people at 10x the frequency of non-Hispanic whites. Would they lie? Nosirreebob - they're straight shooters, one and all. Stone killers some of them might be, but they draw the line at lying.

34 posted on 06/29/2013 12:37:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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