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To: Safrguns
If those numbers are accurate, it's concerning.

The question is where do the Mormon's stand? "If" Mormons voted as a block to allow gays, then I'd agree that the organization is dead.

But Mormons have in the past taken a stand against gay marriage. But then Romney called for the scouts to allow gays. So I'm not sure where Mormon's stand on the issue. They may need to clean house of their delegates.

The other question is are Mormon's using their influence in the Scouts to promote Mormonism? That would be a problem too.

49 posted on 06/15/2013 8:26:12 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

As a “Mormon” Scout Leader .... I don’t know what you are talking about.

The LDS Church has stated after the gay vote that they will stay in scouts. However, they require all of the scouts in our troops both LDS and non-LDS to interview with a bishop and commit to a standard of morality which means no premarital sex.


54 posted on 06/15/2013 8:57:38 AM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: DannyTN

>>> The question is where do the Mormon’s stand?

The Mormons and United Methodists were the first to embrace the admissions policy change.

They are ok with it.

>>> The other question is are Mormon’s using their influence in the Scouts to promote Mormonism?

Wouldn’t you?


64 posted on 06/15/2013 9:38:10 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: DannyTN
49 ... The question is where do the Mormon's stand? "If" Mormons voted as a block to allow gays, then I'd agree that the organization is dead. But Mormons have in the past taken a stand against gay marriage. But then Romney called for the scouts to allow gays. So I'm not sure where Mormon's stand on the issue. They may need to clean house of their delegates.

The LDS Church took a beating, from the inside and outside, for aggressively supporting Proposition 8 in CA during 2008. Since then, the Church has moved on to other battles in the cultural wars rather than to continue to take on the homosexual-rights activists for several reasons.

 Church leadership felt like it was left holding the financial bag after other evangelical denominations failed to come through with promised aid in the fight against Proposition 8. Top church officials were heavily involved in the creation of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), the primary player over the last decade in the fight to outlaw gay unions.

 According to Mormon pro-family activist Stephen Graham, founder of Standard of Liberty (5/17/2013 - http://americansfortruth.com/2013/05/17/aftah-interviews-lds-utah-activist-steve-graham-on-mormon-church-backpedalling-on-homosexual-agenda-part-one/) Church leadership feared that continued support of anti-homosexualsexual marriage measures would continue to generate negative publicity which in turn would limit the ability of its farflung missionaries to engage potential converts.

 The Church wanted to be more welcoming to its members who are afflicted with same-sex attraction.

 There are 5 nationally prominent Mormons in the U.S. today.

1. Mitt Romney had advocated for homosexual membership in the BSA since 1994 when he served on the BSA NEB. During this failed U.S. Senate campaign in 1994 against U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) he made pledges to improve homosexual rights that were more aggressive than Kennedy’s. As president of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games of 2002, he banned local Boy Scouts from the Great Salt Lake Council from volunteering at Olympic venues. On his watch as governor of MA in 2003, it became the 1st state to legalize homosexual marriage (granted it was the state supreme court which mandated it). In 2012 he re-affirmed his support for homosexual membership in the BSA. Church leadership did not want to harm Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign by continuing its activities against homosexual marriage.

2. Harry Reid is a U.S. Senator (D-NV) and current Senate Majority Leader. He has energetically led all of POTUS #44 BHO’s policy positions in the U.S. Senate.

3. Glenn Beck is a libertarian/conservative talk radio host and media mogul. During 2012 he discussed his views about homosexual marriage on his radio show, “The Glenn Beck Program” http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/01/06/glenns-take-on-gay-marriage/ “I’m for civil marriage. All the rights, civil marriage, that’s fine. … My solution is take government out of marriage entirely. What is government doing in marriage? … You didn’t get married for tax deductions. … Our laws are based in Judeo‑Christian values and laws. That’s the way it’s set up. Now, you don’t like that; that’s fine. Then change the Constitution. Because you cannot pick and choose.”

4. Jon Huntsman Jr. is a past progressive governor (R-UT) and former ambassador to Red China under POTUS #44 BHO. In FEB 2013 he (1) announced his support of homosexual marriage and (2) signed the amicus brief of the plaintiff to oppose California’s Proposition 8.

5. Wayne Perry is the current BSA National President and co-owner of the Seattle Mariners. He personally pleaded the case with the Prophet of the LDS Church to support a change in BSA’s membership policy to accept homosexuals. This would be a major reversal of the Church’s position in 2000 when it heavily supported the BSA when the SCOTUS ruled in BSA’s favor in BSA v Dale.

The other question is are Mormon's using their influence in the Scouts to promote Mormonism? That would be a problem too.

They are doing the same thing every other religious charter organization is doing. You can't ding them for that.

82 posted on 06/15/2013 1:15:37 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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