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To: chessplayer

Excellent article and eye opening comments from a country with more video surveillance capacity than just about anywhere except casinos. George Orwell pegged it and I don’t think the toothpaste can be put back in the tube.


45 posted on 06/15/2013 4:36:10 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: outofsalt

To everyone: history has certain ironies. The world established forever at Nuremberg, as a matter of law, that illegal acts don’t have authority as a defense. If that is true, then the converse is also true: “treason” cannot be attached when the exposed secret is an illegal activity. Conservatives and other patriots may not like this, or where it goes, but that debate is over. In fact, the American press has long sanctified this principle...Ellsberg was not a traitor, but a hero.

Listen to the very language: “is he a traitor, or a whistleblower?” Then the discussion ensues, but typically centered on the one thing that does not matter: motive. The media likes to personalize such things because it gives them fodder for filling their daily word-count quotas, but the breathless talk of who Snowdon is and what he wants and whether he is sane or not - matters not one whit. I don’t know if he is a “hero”, because that does go to motive, which does not interest me. I am interested in whether what he says is true or not.

We’ve created a type, a role - “whistleblower” - that actually means “someone who exposes illegal activity”. We created this role in popular culture first, mainly on the Left, as they romanticized corporate insiders who exposed evil capitalists - see “Silkwood”. Then we enshrined it in law, and for good or ill, that train is now running down the track.

So this debate will hinge on substance, not motive (as it should). Is Snowdon telling the truth, and if he is, is the Orwellian state he describes legal or illegal? If it is legal, he is a traitor. If it is not, he is not.

If I give away our codes to an enemy in wartime, that one is easy. But if I say to my fellow citizens “hey, your government is spying on you in ways you do not know and I believe you should know and have not authorized” - to equate these acts morally and legally is the dumbest confusion.

By the way, the only thing that gives any loyalty to the government any moral force at all is individual liberty. The State has no ethical claim on me except as an apparatus by which we protect our life, liberty, and property. So the moral basis for convicting me for exposing codes to a military enemy is that i am actually endangering your hearth and plow. And that works. But conservatives, go very slow before you extend that moral outrage to any leaker. In fact, I’ll go so far: any leak that endangers liberty is a crime against my fellow free people. Any leak that protects our mutual liberties is not a crime, no matter what may written in some black-letter statute somewhere. And this has nothing to do with motive.

Don’t confuse this with the Left version of it, which is as relativistic as mine admittedly might sound. The Left actually believes that any leak that furthers the progressive agenda is not a crime, and others are. This is very different, and deserves universal mockery. It is actually what induces all the talk about motive, because as you know, on the Left, the pure motive of the State hallows it. Not so with us: liberty is the objective, tangible touchstone of everything, and I think what makes my argument work where the Left bastardization does not.

This means every act of revealing government secrets has to be litigated as to substance. And if it is to be litigated, the substance can’t be secret. There is a real problem here that no-one knows how to solve and I’d suggest that once you serve on a Congressional intelligence oversight committee, no matter your party, you seem to take on the impulse to yell “traitor” quickly and before the litigation even begins. That might be because you understand just how important security clearances really are, or it might be because you understand there is no way in our legal system to litigate such events and you don’t want to have to write that law. Well, we are writing it.

Conservatives are typically strong patriots, many have been in the military, and value loyalty and discipline, and react viscerally to a violation of a security clearance and an oath. Even as I write this, on Freerepublic’s posting screen in front of me in red is this WWII admonition: “Loose lips sink ships”. I guarantee you that no such sentiment is enshrined at the Huffington Post.

But I’d urge you to go slow with your reflexive patriotism and consider whether this State is the same one that got into your moral DNA when you were younger. If there is an Orwellian state, it is not immoral to expose it. In fact, the only thing that will save you from the gulag is insiders who break some sort of oath and talk about it. Those who cherish individual liberty should go real, real slow before condemning a person for claiming to know secret ways your liberties are being stolen.

Here’s my point: when you stripped Goebbels of his Nuremberg defense, you gave Snowdon his defense.

I’d argue that the 4th Amendment in its original language and unadorned gives Americans all we need to protect ourselves from both the Orwellian state and from domestic terrorists. I’d urge conservatives to support the public, open litigation of the very notion that there can be secret surveillance of an American citizen apart from the probable cause and delineated subject matter that the Founders wrote into the simple language of the bill of rights.

If the NSA is doing what Snowdon describes, then it is a rogue, illegal State, and Snowdon is not a traitor.


51 posted on 06/15/2013 5:42:49 AM PDT by Taliesan
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