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To: seeker41

“They” are not that smart.

You are suggesting that:

1) They act tyrannical in order to stir government resent so that...

2) They can repeal all the government control and blame the conservatives so that...

3) we can be attacked worse than 9/11 so that...

4) They can impose more radical tyrannical controls over the USA masses of citizens...

You give them too much credit. They are as they appear, power hungry tyrants. That is all.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 6:19:53 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Tenacious 1

Yeah, if they were really that smart Obama would not be fumbling his way through eight or nine scandals by now.

I’ll stick to the basic Conservative belief that this Government has gotten SO big and SO complex that it cannot be effectively controlled by anyone.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 6:27:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tenacious 1
This has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. This kind of data mining has been going on for decades and the Internet has only helped assemble the data in a finer way.

Nobody should be so surprised at these allegations. The government has been at this since forever. It would be naive to think that all this started after 9/11. It did not start with President Obama, it may have started with President Woodrow Wilson so calm down folks.

We must look at where the line is being drawn between violation of personal liberties and freedoms and safeguarding the US from external or even internal threats.

What we should be asking is how is the data sifted and acted upon. What happened on 9/11, Benghazi and Boston was that the critical information was not quickly passed on, assessed and acted upon. The same conclusions were reached on December 8th 1941.

The US had broken both the Ultra and Purple Codes from the Japanese and Germans yet, the conceptual models and calculations were either inaccurate or ignored and not given the priority they should have gotten.

It is the ITEL, human interpretations, hierarchical and bureaucratic authorities that err each and every time not the massive amounts of data that these folks have to deal with everyday.

23 posted on 06/12/2013 7:01:23 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Tenacious 1

I agree with you. Occam’s razor applies.


28 posted on 06/12/2013 8:41:34 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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