Posted on 06/09/2013 1:38:43 PM PDT by null and void
Homo gun. Shoot peas at the bad guys.
Oh, so we’re interested in saving money by standardization?
How about making Congress and all federal employees subject to every law and regulation to which the citizenry as a whole are subject, with no exceptions?
I think we backed the wrong horse on that one.
I don’t mind women serving but not in combat units.
I hope the "UCP" guy and the "Navy camo pattern that looks exactly like the ocean" guy and the "Air Force camo pattern that does nothing but try to look cool" guy are having nice retirements.
There will always be specialists who require clothing that enable them to do their jobs more efficiently. We wouldn’t expect people working in an office to wear fatigues.
I was specifically addressing those involved in office work, ground crews or ship board personnel. Any forces involved in combat will have to use clothing for those kind of activities.
That would be silly.
Heads should roll in the Marine Corp for their using their symbol in the camouflage, making it unusable for the other services although it was considered the most effective, and the blue camouflage should have cost some careers as well.
The Army and Marines need to agree on the best field uniform, and wear it, different insignia and work caps can suffice for branch identity, even a different tailor cut or pocket shape could be acceptable, but this waste of billions needs to end, the Navy and Air Force can use that in the combat field but have an economical, practical, commonsense work uniform for their daily use that doesn’t require camo, (expensive BLUE camo? come on).
The Navy has had some very useful work clothes in the past, they didn’t need to get into all this expensive and seemingly endless, oneupsmanship game that has been out of control for years.
I understand your feelings, and though I’m not a feminist much less a radical one, I look at it from a different perspective. It’s one I call, “being prepared”.
Back during the 1980’s, Navy supply ships with all female crews came under fire. Sometimes it happens, though no one plans it that way.
I have come to believe everyone should be cross trained. We shouldn’t purposefully send women to do combat, but they should be trained for that instance whenever it might happen.
Better they be trained and never use it, than be in a situation where they need it and have never been trained for it.
It’s called “being prepared”.
Since the Marine dress uniform is patterned after historical Army uniforms, that would be less change than one might think.
The money wasted by congress in “ferreting out” redundant/wasteful camo patterns far exceeded the cost of the camo patterns.
You tell me if this is a “win”.
Navy Corpsmen wear Marine Camouflage when attached to Marines.
Why? Because you don’t want to stand out. Since in combat, one has to wear what the majority of people in your theater wear, this will have little effect on combat, and save money in training.
Uniforms should have a environmental layer (warm or cool) next to the skin, an load bearing/armor layer between, and a camouflage layer on the outside. In different climates the environmental layer would change to match weather, and the camouflage layer would change to match local visual/thermals. The armor load bearing layer would change based on the threat level.
Rather, I would suggest that we shed blood with the Chinese.
Mao and Chang kai shek were (in theory) allies with us against the Japanese.
We should never have started replacing men with the smaller, slower, weaker, less mechanically inclined, less rugged, less outdoors friendly, less remote living capable, weaker sex, it doesn’t make any sense at all to make the effort to create a lower standard category of GI, hire them, and then spread them throughout the military forces to replace the actual GIs.
Before 1973 the military was limited to 2% females, and they didn’t even reach 2%, they served in inside jobs in finance, legal, and medical in their part of the base, not interfering with the warrior culture on the rest of the base, and in the field, we never saw them except for civilian type needs related to pay or dental or medical, or lawyers.
Shed it or ‘’should have’’? We certainly did for them in WW2.
Can someone please ‘splain why Navy personnel on a ship are wearing como??
We need women in combat units. Islamic countries, where we do most of our work lately, need women along on patrols to search women’s quarters.
No, the terrorists don’t honor the rule that they are not permitted in women’s quarters. They don’t honor any other rules either.
By having women along on patrol, and having it known that we will bring women along, the tactic of hiding in the women’s quarters doesn’t work.
If I am reading this right we are only talking about camo uniforms. Depending on the service you can have several different uniforms for each person. Everybody would still have their on dress uniform. While you would get savings it would be insignificant compared to other goverment waste. The biggest saving would be eliminating the bureaucrats, congressmen and staff involved in trying to control the design and make sure it manufactured in their state or district.
Congress does have a dress code that is enforced most of the time. But I would like to see congressmen , senators and their staff required to stay in dorms while in Washington. This would save millions of dollars. The dorms would be separated by political parties, each dorm would have it’s own rules based on their party affiliation views on how involved the the government should be citizens lives. Librarians would be able to come and go as they wished and could choose what they wanted to eat from a cafeteria. On the other end of the scope Democrats would have curfew. The would be a person much like a drill sargent in charge for their floor. They would be awaken at dawn and after they made their beds and properly dressed would stand inspection and when passed would proceed to the mess hall where they would eat the approved food. Once they have eaten all food on their plate and returned their tray they would be dismissed to take a bus to their assigned duties. Senators would allow to have a Smart car.
This deserves some more though. Any suggestion? We can’t shoot them remember this is a gun free zone.
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