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To: kimtom

Why is it so hard to understand that evolution is a theory on how organisms change and adapt after they already exist. How life came to exist is a separate question entirely. Obviously things like natural selection cannot occur before life begins, just like you cannot tune an engine before an engine exists.


4 posted on 06/06/2013 12:32:25 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

‘Why is it so hard to understand that evolution is a theory on how organisms change and adapt after they already exist.’

Because, there is a football game being played, and people want to know the name of the kicker who started it. One has a relationship with the other.


6 posted on 06/06/2013 12:37:16 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
From the last page of On the Origin of Species:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved." (Bolding added).

9 posted on 06/06/2013 12:39:39 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
If modern science limits itself to those things that can be empirically known, then the study of life must be done within certain parameters. One would have to make the case that all of the diversity of life is made possible through Evolution and genetic drift.

If, however, a curious bit of evidence were to surface, and someone were to say "Perhaps we need to broaden our view in order to explain this ..." The strict materialist will shut that conversation down -- no broader view is needed. Get a better microscope. Find new techniques. Empirical evidence is all we will ever need. By definition of what "science" is.

On the other hand, if we look at the origin of life and conclude that something "other" had to play a role, then we open the door to further exploration of other aspects of biology and the possibility that something beyond the empirical world could be considered, and might not be inappropriate.

Science is either 100% materialistic, or it's not. The pure evolutionists are counting on it being 100% materialist. The folks with Faith are willing to accept a material solution for much, but not all, that we see around us.

I'm not narrow-minded: I live in a world of both Faith and Science.

12 posted on 06/06/2013 12:56:26 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Why is it so hard to understand that evolution is a theory on how organisms change and adapt after they already exist. How life came to exist is a separate question entirely.

How very supercilious of you to assume a lack of understanding on the part of critics.

When the mechanism claimed for natural selection is a function of the extant living system, the nature of that system becomes a seminal question. To ignore it is as facile as "let them eat cake."

19 posted on 06/06/2013 1:12:55 PM PDT by papertyger (Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken....)
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